A question about classic layouts

[merivaman41]

1stly please accept my apologies if this has been asked before and I do apologise in advance if this offends people it's not my intention to i just wish to know more about what a classic layout means. Do I need to put this somewhere else or are they meant to be like this to allow people to add artwork - if that makes sense, I appreciate all the work that goes into these, and always look forward to them but I usually grab the DX ( whatever that means ) version as it looks like the real machine would - I hope I'm making sense 

Many thanks. Dave.

[thealteredemu]

Classics are usually built in the absence of decent machine artwork.  The guys that create them and I’ve done a couple, they can be harder work than a DX, especially if it’s a machine we don’t even have an image of for reference.

DX designers will often use a classic as a base for their graphical version.

 

J

[merivaman41]

Ah right that makes sense, thanks for the info, i thought maybe i was missing something

[slotsmagic]

I think they are called classic layouts because in the original emulators there was no ability to have graphics, other than reels. So when the ability came to implement graphics, the term 'DX' (I assume shorthand for Deluxe?) came about, and the older looking, non graphical layouts became 'Classic'.

But simply, a classic layouts is any layout which doesn't have graphical lamps, normally doesn't have the actual machine artwork. But it has all the bits working - and that's part of the challenge.

I've made classic layouts, I've made DX layouts from scratch, and I've made DX layouts using an existing classic.

The hardest in terms of logic is a classic layout, or a 'from scratch' DX. You are starting with a complete blank canvas, and need to work out the machine inputs (switches, opto sensors, coin validation) and outputs (reel positions, lamps, and probably hoppers, tubes, and meters too).

On some machines it's almost like 'layout by numbers', especially if the machine has a test mode - once you've found your way into it - that gives you reel symbol positions and lamp positions.

On some it's genuinely a massive game of trial and error until you find the right numbers.

DX layouts based on classics, while they have a graphical challenge, have the machine's inner workings mapped out. So basically you start with an already working layout, and you then work with graphics to put on top of it.

I'd hope people who create classics would be recognised as equally but I'd expect that to most people who come across as a site like this, the classics look 'basic', so probably don't get appreciated as much.

Edited April 10 by slotsmagic

[wearecity]

The DX is deluxe and the phrase was coined by Gary when he did the first DX which was Viva Espana way back in 2001.

Before the DX, we just called classic layouts, layouts. I guess after the DX, we had to call non DX's something, so classic became a term for them.

I only do classics and they can take tens of hours to do, particularly if you put some real effort into them. But even I don't keep any of my classics in my main collection, I keep them separate from it. I'd also be happy to see a machine I've done a classic for, get a DX ASAP. 

Back in the day though, I guarantee you if you wanted to play FME, you would have had more classics than DX's. But nowadays we are so spoilt, we can be very choosy. 

[infection]

There's also pdx which are pseudo dxs 

[MikeyMonster]

14 hours ago, slotsmagic said:

 

I'd hope people who create classics would be recognised as equally but I'd expect that to most people who come across as a site like this, the classics look 'basic', so probably don't get appreciated as much.

I certainly appreciate all the hard work all designers do - without the "classics" we would never have got to the DX's

So thank you one and all. 

[thealteredemu]

If you have artwork you can go straight in and make a graphic layout, you don't need a classic layout to create a DX.   

J

[dad]

50 minutes ago, thealteredemu said:

If you have artwork you can go straight in and make a graphic layout, you don't need a classic layout to create a DX.   

J

Correct.  I rarely use an existing Classic these days.

[thealteredemu]

Indeed, me too

J

[merivaman41]

Thank you for the insight into CLASSIC v`s DX I did not realise the amount of work that goes into one, I am personally grateful to ALL the designers of any layout, you all do some fantastic work and I really appreciate the work and time that goes into recreating these masterpieces, and I'm really pleased I have been accepted here and that I am allowed to play these on my homemade machine.

Here is a BIG 🆃🅷🅰🅽🅺-🆈🅾🆄 to you all