Concept - Go For Gold £8/£15/£35/£70 (Phoenix 2) - Kinda works - anyone fancy assisting?

[slotsmagic]

So, after scrapping Go For Gold (but I've kept the glasses, as I quite like them, reels, hopper and coin mech for other projects), I decided to dump the ROMs today.

To my surprise, they actually kind of work - I mean the machine boots, I've worked out START and STAKE buttons. BUT after initialising I can't get the reels to stop (like they can't see the opto tab?). The machine apparently uses either 48 step or 200 step reels (switchable using DIP switch 8 on bank 1). But using both I'm still getting a bit stuck. The bands have 24 symbols on, but the manual refers to '20RM' - no idea if thats the amount of stops, or if that's something else?!

Also the 7 seg displays are displaying random things... but that's probably something simple I'm doing. Main thing though would be to get the machine into a playable state first

I'm quite happy to plug away and problem solve but wondered if anyone wanted to assist? Would be nice to have a collaborative thing, even if all I've managed so far is to kinda get the ROMs to at least respond.

I do have the original instruction manual here, which might make things easier! I obviously still have the glasses and reel bands too

Link to YT video


Of course if someone wants to try and go it alone that's also fine, let me know and I'll shove the ROMs over, and again I'd be happy to assist with a scan of the manual if it helped!

Would need to be someone with good experience of classic layouts, or who enjoys tinkering to see if they can get things going of course

Edited January 1 by slotsmagic

[dad]

I'll have a look if you like but first I'd try 20 stops, 400 half steps and opto tab 3 and see if that cures the problem

[slotsmagic]

1 minute ago, dad said:

I'll have a look if you like but first I'd try 20 stops, 400 half steps and opto tab 3 and see if that cures the problem

I've just tried your suggestion, many thanks

Unfortunately it still does the same - but now gives a couple of spins before it seems to be unable to see the opto

It might be that it's just going to be impossible to get going, but it would be lovely to see that even though the machine is physically no more (metalwork and woodwork going to the tip tomorrow), it could live on in some regard

If you did fancy a tinker with it I'd be happy to send anything over that might help

[vectra666]

37 minutes ago, slotsmagic said:

I've just tried your suggestion, many thanks

Unfortunately it still does the same - but now gives a couple of spins before it seems to be unable to see the opto

It might be that it's just going to be impossible to get going, but it would be lovely to see that even though the machine is physically no more (metalwork and woodwork going to the tip tomorrow), it could live on in some regard

If you did fancy a tinker with it I'd be happy to send anything over that might help

was trawling through past wips of mine and super red bar came up. the reels were out of line but @Tommy c sorted em out

do you have the Wip layout to hand?, have you a image of said machine 

Edited January 1 by vectra666

[slotsmagic]

1 hour ago, vectra666 said:

was trawling through past wips of mine and super red bar came up. the reels were out of line but @Tommy c sorted em out

do you have the Wip layout to hand?, have you a image of said machine 

Yeah, I'm going to finish off some of the Concept WIPs that I started back in March in the near future. As I move back towards emulation I'm in need of some of the sort of machines I'd have played while out and about

As for the layout, I've passed it and the ROMs over to DAD for him to have a play with. No rush, happy to leave him with it.

It may well be that it just won't work correctly anyway - but if it does work it would be nice. Something a bit unique as far as lo-techs (well, mid-techs) go.

 

Crap image attached - I still have the glasses so obviously if it does run to a reasonable extent I could photograph the glasses.

 

Edited January 1 by slotsmagic

[hitthesix]

Chuck it over and  i will have a look for you as well.

just had a look at the video, and noticed you didn't add any reel opto 

so try  adding reel opto 3 tab  for all reels , to see if that helps first.

 

[infection]

Is this same tech as labyrinth 2?

[slotsmagic]

7 hours ago, infection said:

Is this same tech as labyrinth 2?

I would expect so but honestly don't know as I've never looked inside one!

The only difference between the version  Concept used in Go For Gold and the  standard Phoenix 2 is that Concept, in their ultimate wisdom, replaced the stock Z180 CPU with a 20MHz (?!) version. Seems like overkill but must be a reason for it. 

I was concerned that it might cause issues, but now I'm wondering if the 'auto throttle' of MFME might compensate and allow the machine to run at a useable speed? Again the fact it even runs to this extent has blown my mind

7 hours ago, hitthesix said:

Chuck it over and  i will have a look for you as well.

just had a look at the video, and noticed you didn't add any reel opto 

so try  adding reel opto 3 tab  for all reels , to see if that helps first.

 

Ta for that, a mentioned above in a reply I've tried that as @dad suggested it as well, but no joy. Maybe it would just be a case of trying many different opto numbers?

Really appreciate the offer and great to see you back around here

I have passed the layout and ROMs over to @dad for the moment, I can send them over you if you fancy a look (and @vectra666 as mentioned above) but feel I've already offered exclusivity to @dad should he be interested, at least should he fancy a DX. Being a fellow lo-tech / Electrocoin fan it made sense

Edited January 2 by slotsmagic

[hitthesix]

1 hour ago, slotsmagic said:

 

Ta for that, a mentioned above in a reply I've tried that as @dad suggested it as well, but no joy. Maybe it would just be a case of trying many different opto numbers?

Really appreciate the offer and great to see you back around here

I have passed the layout and ROMs over to @dad for the moment, I can send them over you if you fancy a look (and @vectra666 as mentioned above) but feel I've already offered exclusivity to @dad should he be interested, at least should he fancy a DX. Being a fellow lo-tech / Electrocoin fan it made sense

Please ignore the erroneous extra tag below, I can't find a way to remove it from my phone

 

Yeah feel free to send it over and i will see if i can get anywhere with it,  i know you have sent it to dad,

and quite rightly so, but i only want to see if i can help to get it to run(if possible)

 

[slotsmagic]

Just now, hitthesix said:

Yeah feel free to send it over and i will see if i can get anywhere with it,  i know you have sent it to dad,

and quite rightly so, but i only want to see if i can help to get it to run(if possible)

 

Weird timing, I got notified about this post just as I'd sent them over

[dad]

I gave it some time last night but didn’t get very far.  I’ll have another look tonight.

its very strange that DIP 8 controls the motor steps.  I’ve never come across that before!

[thealteredemu]

I don't think the emulation is complete to allow these to run, seems to be other reel options required?

J

[slotsmagic]

16 minutes ago, thealteredemu said:

I don't think the emulation is complete to allow these to run, seems to be other reel options required?

J

It is possible, absolutely. Just got optimistic from the way they seemed to initialise correctly, but they stop seeing the opto soon after.

24 minutes ago, dad said:

I gave it some time last night but didn’t get very far.  I’ll have another look tonight.

its very strange that DIP 8 controls the motor steps.  I’ve never come across that before!

It's in the manual, it depends on the donor machine the kit was fitted to. If it was fitted to an OXO machine then doesn't need switch 8 on, only if fitted to a BAR X 125 (I'm guessing they used different / bigger reels as they had stacked symbols and possibly more stops per reel?)

I honestly don't think they'll be playable in the current emulator, but just having them boot piqued my curiosity. In some ways it would be been better if they didn't boot in that we could just draw a line under it!

Wish I'd kept a copy of my OXO 777 ROMs as I wonder if stock Electrocoin ROMs might run, at least the ones from single player units?

 

Edited January 2 by slotsmagic