johnparker007

@andrew96 You seemed completely convinced earlier in the thread that the payout percentage would be wrong when using my Chr-free patched ROMs, for example: andrew96: "when the MFME values are fed to a real machine that's where it can send it paying the wrong percentage, (usually its very tight!)" andrew96: "the patched rom will overpay in a real machine as it won't have the 3 correct lamp tables in" andrew96: "the 1 table mfme uses WILL work in a real machine but causes percentage problems in a real machine" andrew96: "there is a percentage issue on a real machine when using patched roms" andrew96: "yes it overpays and takes no notice of the percentage key when using a PATCHED ROM" So I'm a bit confused, as now you're saying "No meticulous writing down of figures was done". Do you want to revise this opinion about the percentage problems that will be present using my chr-free patched ROMs? As I'm now buying an test MPU4 machine with @serene02's help, purely to run £2,000 through my Chr-free patched Cloud 999 ROM to measure the real payout percentage on real hardware! This is entirely based on what you keep posting... So please could you let me know, are you still saying that the percentage payout over a statistically significant number of plays will be wrong with my Chr-free patched ROMs? Or have I misinterpreted what you are saying, as otherwise, what's the point in me buying the machine to prove the payout percentage is correct? It's cool to change your position on this man, and it'll save me having a fruit machine stuck in my kitchen lol , but otherwise, I'm happy to buy the machine and perform the proper tests, so we can 100% prove it one way or the other

Thanks very much mate, you're a star And yes absolutely; other people attempting to hack ROMs themselves and having problems is unrelated to whether my chr-free patched ROMs work correctly.

Cash attack MFME Layouts: Cash Attack (Barcrest).zip Ok, sounds fun, happy hacking! Just to clarify, could you please let me know your answer to the question: "yes or no, do you agree that testing my patched Cloud 999 Chr-free ROM in a real MPU4 machine over here for £2,000 in, and checking payout percentage from meters out/in ratio, will then definitively prove if there's a problem with payout percentage?" I am buying an MPU4 machine just to prove this patched Chr-free Cloud 999 ROM works and has correct payout percentage, so your answer would be much appreciated, in case I am missing the point

Here are the lamp values for Cash Attack MPU4: In terms of my previous question, just to make sure we're on the same page : - yes or no, do you agree that testing my patched Cloud 999 Chr-free ROM in a real MPU4 machine over here for £2,000 in, and checking payout percentage from meters out/in ratio, will then definitively prove if there's a problem with payout percentage?

I don't understand I am going to buy an MPU4 machine, and test my Chr-free patched Cloud 999 ROM in it, for a total of £2,000 in. Then I'll read the meters, and that will tell us the actual payout percentage that took place over that £2,000. Do you agree that this will absolutely prove one way or the other if the payout percentage is correct/broken?

@andrew96 But yes or no, do you agree that testing the patched Cloud 999 ROM in a real MPU4 machine over here for £2,000 in, and checking payout percentage from meters out/in ratio, will then definitively prove if there's a problem with payout percentage? This seems like all we need to do, as the next step

That would be great thanks, as I know you used to buy machines - I've no idea where to look, and don't have an eBay account after that iPhone fiasco many moons ago. If we just have a cheap tatty MPU4 machine, I can play the Chr-free Cloud 999 ROMs in it, and check percentage from meters after £2,000 through it... and that will be enough to test whether there is a problem or not. Do you agree @andrew96 that this will definitively prove whether there is a problem with the payout percentage on the Chr-free patched ROM?

At this stage we need more rigour, as just seeing the ROM perform correctly in MFME doesn't give us objective proof that it performs incorrectly in a real machine. That said, if the ROM performs incorrectly in MFME, that just suggests a botched patch. At this point, I would need to get a real MPU4 machine, that I can use to test Chr free patched ROMs such as Cloud 999. Then I can provide 100% definitive irrefutable proof that there isn't a payout % issue... or there is an issue, which I can then fix. Otherwise I fear we are going round in circles here

@serene02 if this doesn't resolve, perhaps you could use your skills to find me a cheap beaten up MPU4 machine Then I could use it with the Cloud 999 ROMs to perform the test, which will show definitively one way or the other if there is a payout issue.

Also this! That'd be great if possible please.

@andrew96 this is a good point! Perhaps if your friend tried my Chr free patched ROM in his Cloud 999, he would see different results: clnv_PATCHED.zip

Well I think the only thing that can be done to prove it is getting an MPU4 machine. As Andrew has agreed above, that if I test the Cloud 999 chr-free patched ROM in a real machine, and then the payout percentage is correct - then there is no issue.

So - if I were to buy (or hopefully borrow) a Cloud 999 - and then run the original ROM and then my Chr-free patch version... and they both pay out the same % over £2,000 in... there is not an issue? It's a massive pain, but I will try procure a machine, if it means we can scientifically prove whether or not there is a real problem

Sorry man - please see previous comment, I'm suggesting: Buy Cloud 999 machine, then: 1. install a Chr-free patched ROM 2. reset RAM 3. reset meters 4. play ~£2,000 through it 5. note down the Total In/Out numbers from the meters. Then, repeat above steps, but using the original ROM + Chr chip. If the payout percentages are the same, do you agree that this is then resolved as a non-issue? I think that all makes perfect sense - no need to have theories, simply do the rigorous scientific test, and observe the result

So by 'differences' above ^^^ you mean, the overall payout percentage over time? If I had a real MPU4 machine here, I could: 1. install a Chr-free ROM 2. reset RAM 3. reset meters 4. play ~£2,000 through it 5. note down the Total In/Out numbers from the meters. Then, repeat above steps, but using the original ROM. (so performing the same test as was done above with MFME, but using a real MPU4 machine. Ideally a Cloud 999, as I'd need the Chr chip for the 'original rom' test, and Cloud 99 is meant to have problems, based on your friend's info). If the payout percentage (ratio between the Total Out / Total In from the meters) is the same for both the Chr-free patched ROM, and the original ROM... would that then mean that we have satisfactorily resolved this as a non-issue?