Boulderdash Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) 25 minutes ago, MikeP said: I am as certain as I can be after all this time, that Pay Rise spot the ball worked on the £4.80 version that had the lines fixed, before the £6 ‘upgrade’. I’m sure I remember doing it, I can remember the feature occasionally offering 480P - an amount which the £6 version just did not offer. It did indeed. I can still hear it. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da dah! Edited March 25 by Boulderdash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted March 25 Author Report Share Posted March 25 Ah, makes sense, I'd say that was totally manipulated from source as it doesn't make sense that other clones with a similar feature 'OTB Find the Pea' isn't free, they all share the same base code. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbank Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 On 25/03/2024 at 12:04, thealteredemu said: I'm not sure what the dips do, I imagine there is a manual for a similar ACE Coin machine kicking about somewhere and it would shed some light on the various settings. Though I'm fairly confident one might be higher token wins, can't be certain, but we must have a user manual for one of these slots, someone will have one. J Hi, I've got a Twilight Zone manual and have attached the DIP settings below. The percentages can be changed, and also the % token payout can be changed from high to low as well. Sorry about the state of the page, looks like the engineer poured coffee all over it at some point! Reading this thread with interest, would be great to see some of your work come to fruition guys, hope this helps anyway. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 Thank You @superbank very handy to see those other options. j 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted April 19 Author Report Share Posted April 19 So, have been dabbling with this little project when have spare time. I started working on Pound for Pound. I started by making the jackpot wins off lines free, so I was testing and I'm thinking it's buzzing but where are the mini streak roll ins to compensate for being over %? I was thinking I'd done something to affect that but I loaded the original P4P 04 roms and indeed these don't have the corrective % watchdog profile. How odd as I've played a P4P 02 in the wild and it definitely had the roll ins!! So, I figured that I'd try other versions. So 05, and 07, none of these have the corrective %? How utterly odd that they would change this from earlier versions, all other versions of the clones seem to have the mini forced roll ins apart from P4P. I remember someone saying to me that there was something else on this machine, they could be right, maybe there is a way to manipulate it after all as it certainy won't try to level out when way under. Interesting. But, those lines are free, though I need to address the nudges being offered on Nudge Quick as I'm fairly quick but 03 seconds on start is might tighty J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbank Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 What machines do we have £4.80 ROMs for J? I'm aware of Open The Box and Hi De Hi (although the emptier doesn't seem to work on this unless I'm doing it wrong?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted April 19 Author Report Share Posted April 19 Open the Box 02 will work, just exchange double bar wins and take any line. We don't have a HiDeHi 02 version sadly. I'm hoping to make a Pay Rise, Camelot and Pound for Pound, though the Pound 4 Pound we have plays very oddly. J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted Monday at 20:45 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 20:45 (edited) Ah, I've hit a snag to some extent. I won't be able to fully realise the original £4.80 unchipped versions. I can make the lines free but all V04 onwards on £6 setting and later £4.80 revisions than V04 don't have the forced mini streak mechanism and I'm starting to think that the streak pot has been removed also. I've played Hi-Flyer V04 £6 token extensively whilst testing my hacks and have yet to hit either the forced mini streak or the usual saved for streak. I even reverted to the original unhacked version and no forced wins or streak. It might drop in the odd win here and there but no pronounced forced slow rolls. @MikeP @Boulderdash Has anyone of you guys streaked any V06 £6 token versions of any of the band aid machines in mfme? I do wonder if this was removed due to enriched periods coming into question in mid 1990's. Would make sense. J Edited Monday at 20:47 by thealteredemu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted Monday at 21:02 Report Share Posted Monday at 21:02 (edited) 17 minutes ago, thealteredemu said: Ah, I've hit a snag to some extent. I won't be able to fully realise the original £4.80 unchipped versions. I can make the lines free but all V04 onwards on £6 setting and later £4.80 revisions than V04 don't have the forced mini streak mechanism and I'm starting to think that the streak pot has been removed also. I've played Hi-Flyer V04 £6 token extensively whilst testing my hacks and have yet to hit either the forced mini streak or the usual saved for streak. I even reverted to the original unhacked version and no forced wins or streak. It might drop in the odd win here and there but no pronounced forced slow rolls. @MikeP @Boulderdash Has anyone of you guys streaked any V06 £6 token versions of any of the band aid machines in mfme? I do wonder if this was removed due to enriched periods coming into question in mid 1990's. Would make sense. J Sounds gnarly mate Even if the code was still present in the original asm source, but the (forced mini streak) routine was no longer called , the compiler would exclude it so it would be gone from the binary you get from the ROM (in these early asm production environments it was common to comment out the call but leave the code due to early/no source control). Edited Monday at 21:03 by johnparker007 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted Monday at 21:32 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 21:32 @johnparker007 Exactly, some of the original old revision code is still present in later revisions but routine never called in the update J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted Tuesday at 15:55 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:55 (edited) 19 hours ago, thealteredemu said: Ah, I've hit a snag to some extent. I won't be able to fully realise the original £4.80 unchipped versions. I can make the lines free but all V04 onwards on £6 setting and later £4.80 revisions than V04 don't have the forced mini streak mechanism and I'm starting to think that the streak pot has been removed also. I've played Hi-Flyer V04 £6 token extensively whilst testing my hacks and have yet to hit either the forced mini streak or the usual saved for streak. I even reverted to the original unhacked version and no forced wins or streak. It might drop in the odd win here and there but no pronounced forced slow rolls. @MikeP @Boulderdash Has anyone of you guys streaked any V06 £6 token versions of any of the band aid machines in mfme? I do wonder if this was removed due to enriched periods coming into question in mid 1990's. Would make sense. J I haven’t. But then, I haven’t played the £6 versions much in MFME (with the exception of Pay Rise which is the 01 program with spot the ball). I never liked the £6 program, obviously the lines were fixed by that point, but also the Nudge TIme feature was ruined for the £6 versions - just another example of a jackpot upgrade ruining game play of previously good games. Wasn’t the big streak chipped out at some point? The recent video by @Chopaholic suggested it was. Maybe an experiment with autoplay might settle the issue? Edited Tuesday at 16:12 by MikeP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted Tuesday at 16:26 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:26 27 minutes ago, MikeP said: I haven’t. But then, I haven’t played the £6 versions much in MFME (with the exception of Pay Rise which is the 01 program with spot the ball). I never liked the £6 program, obviously the lines were fixed by that point, but also the Nudge TIme feature was ruined for the £6 versions - just another example of a jackpot upgrade ruining game play of previously good games. Wasn’t the big streak chipped out at some point? The recent video by @Chopaholic suggested it was. Maybe an experiment with autoplay might settle the issue? I don't recall getting the streak on any of the machines that were upgraded from £4.80 to £6. I really only played Pay Rise seriously out of that bunch. I don't remember seeing Grand National, with the streak chop shared recently, or Circle Line on anything less than £6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted Tuesday at 22:28 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 22:28 I’ve had the streak on a 02 £4.80 Grand National. It does seem anything v04 £6 don’t have the same profile, likely due to the enriched period being outlawed. I’m still going to keep at these and make the line wins free, shame about those forced streaks as it was one of the pitfalls of doing the lines, giving it an element of jeopardy Still it’s kind of fun to experience the trick on the games we don’t have early software for. J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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