Altharic Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 Will be funny if the doorbell ends up in MAME/MESS I think it qualifies just about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 MPU4 is proving a tough nut to crack but they are on with it. Pull Request for MPU4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeRandomGuy Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Altharic said: Will be funny if the doorbell ends up in MAME/MESS I think it qualifies just about I'd say that is definitely going to happen Ironically that doorbell is probably harder to emulate than the Bellfruit music board, because it does some analog processing to the audio coming out of the chip, whereas Bellfruit just pipes it straight to the speaker. 4 hours ago, Altharic said: MPU4 is proving a tough nut to crack but they are on with it. Pull Request for MPU4 Yeah the problem with the MPU4 driver is that it's a bit of a mess, it was first written well over 15 years ago and is in need of some major refactoring to keep up with MAME's code standards today. It'll definitely get there at some point, just needs some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 Yeah mpu4 was emulated in agemame before that was merged into mame now was a lot of guesswork and the scene didn't exactly help itself when assistance was asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 Made some progress on the extractor, now is extracting and storing the data parts (number fields, checkboxes etc) of these 'new' components: BandReel, DiscReel, FlipReel, JPMBonusReel, BFMAlpha, ProconnMatrix, EpochAlpha, IgtVfd, Plasma There's more to do on these to store the images on those that have them, and then some more components not yet done (Bitmap, the legacy Seven Segment Block, a bunch of LED displays). And then also the 'layout too narrow' issue... and that's all that's left to do on this stage I think... though there's quite a lot more stages to go, before I can generate the ~3000 layouts... 4 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle64 Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 On 18/09/2022 at 16:16, niallquinn said: 10/10 for mentioning EE mags, used to love that. Still got some back issues somewhere........... right I'm off to build an FM Transmiiter, a plantpot moisture tester, an RNG using a 555, and a car cassette power supply. I posted a link to every back issue of ee//pee on page 119 of this thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Another potentially interesting one has made the pull stage used by a lot of techs M68340 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Implemented more MFME components into the extractor : DotMatrix, BfmLed, BfmColourLed, AceMatrix, EpochMatrix 9 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Implemented 'full' extracting of seven segment, previously I'd just been extracting the number and on color... Then decided to set the data structures and screen grabs up for what I think are all the remaining ones: This is the test layout containing the new components I am setting up (pretty sure I have them all after this pass is done): Quite a bit more scraping still to set up, but making solid progress - the video screens will be quick as they've not many fields ...and then some other issue to sort out (too narrow layouts, and an old issue I'd forgotten; mfme font scraping bug which gives me problems between uppercase I (i) and lowercase l (L), and also the '£' character). The aim at the end of it is so that I can run any layout through it, and initially extract all of the data to my 'open format' which is JSON and .bmp images... I'm bound to run into most/all of the components above and need some of the data from them, on the ~3000 layout pass for making the 'MAME classic internal layout set'. Edited September 22, 2022 by johnparker007 4 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeRandomGuy Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, johnparker007 said: Implemented 'full' extracting of seven segment, previously I'd just been extracting the number and on color... Then decided to set the data structures and screen grabs up for what I think are all the remaining ones: This is the test layout containing the new components I am setting up (pretty sure I have them all after this pass is done): Quite a bit more scraping still to set up, but making solid progress - the video screens will be quick as they've not many fields ...and then some other issue to sort out (too narrow layouts, and an old issue I'd forgotten; mfme font scraping bug which gives me problems between uppercase I (i) and lowercase l (L), and also the '£' character). The aim at the end of it is so that I can run any layout through it, and initially extract all of the data to my 'open format' which is JSON and .bmp images... I'm bound to run into most/all of the components above and need some of the data from them, on the ~3000 layout pass for making the 'MAME classic internal layout set'. Big Bucks looks a bit different than usual TMS1000 update: The doorbell has made it to Sean, with the right chip inside! Now he needs to actually decap it, but we're getting very close to being able to emulate the chip now. Also more Black Box progress: found a £1 all cash ROM for Upstairs N Downstairs (the Nudge Climber ROM turned out to be all cash as well), and found The Nudge Machine by ADMC. Notably it has yet another different type of sound board that I can't emulate this time, because the only machine on YouTube has the board missing. Also it's the first game I've encountered that has protection (a la Characteriser), looks like they didn't want anyone bootlegging. This whole thing has taken quite longer than I anticipated , but I don't have many ROMs left now, so getting close. Edited September 22, 2022 by SomeRandomGuy 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 hours ago, SomeRandomGuy said: Big Bucks looks a bit different than usual TMS1000 update: The doorbell has made it to Sean, with the right chip inside! Now he needs to actually decap it, but we're getting very close to being able to emulate the chip now. Also more Black Box progress: found a £1 all cash ROM for Upstairs N Downstairs (the Nudge Climber ROM turned out to be all cash as well), and found The Nudge Machine by ADMC. Notably it has yet another different type of sound board that I can't emulate this time, because the only machine on YouTube has the board missing. Also it's the first game I've encountered that has protection (a la Characteriser), looks like they didn't want anyone bootlegging. This whole thing has taken quite longer than I anticipated , but I don't have many ROMs left now, so getting close. Great news on the TMS1000 side project! And also great progress on the Black Box driver I had a quick google - I wonder if they were going to add some kind of sound, but then didn't in the end (leaving an abandoned sound board connector)..? There's two adverts for it, and neither mention the sound, which would've presumably been a marketing point at the time: Awesome progress anyway, keep up the good work! 1 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) Could be worth asking over the Mecca about this they remember stuff most of us never knew and many still have this kit Excellent news about Blackbox Edited September 23, 2022 by Altharic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeRandomGuy Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 10 hours ago, johnparker007 said: Great news on the TMS1000 side project! And also great progress on the Black Box driver I had a quick google - I wonder if they were going to add some kind of sound, but then didn't in the end (leaving an abandoned sound board connector)..? There's two adverts for it, and neither mention the sound, which would've presumably been a marketing point at the time: Thanks, Sean said he should be able to do it this weekend Looking at the code there are quite a few different sounds inside, I'd bet it's supposed to have it. A mute machine would have been weird by 1982 10 hours ago, Altharic said: Could be worth asking over the Mecca about this they remember stuff most of us never knew and many still have this kit Excellent news about Blackbox Problem is sulzerned seems to be the only one there who has that machine, which is the same one I was talking about. Can't really emulate sound without a reference of some sort 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, SomeRandomGuy said: Thanks, Sean said he should be able to do it this weekend Looking at the code there are quite a few different sounds inside, I'd bet it's supposed to have it. A mute machine would have been weird by 1982 Problem is sulzerned seems to be the only one there who has that machine, which is the same one I was talking about. Can't really emulate sound without a reference of some sort Wow that's a fast turnaround, go Sean! Yeah, I did wonder that - I spied that 1983 stamped on the flyer and thought it might be too new to be worth mentioning sound - but I'm really not sure when it comes to these older machines, I thought it might be a random date! ...but if there's code trying to call sound - then maybe this one will end up being mute... still playable though! 2 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 If the mecca don't know then we are waiting a barn find unfortunately, hopefully Oranges and Lemons comes to fruition and we can chalk off one that otherwise would have been mute. There is a reason I want this particular machine in the 80s I liked the fruit machines my brother liked the arcade ones I would spend my money and I would have to wait while he finished on Commando or Mr Do and those machines were one of the background noise of the arcades we went to. Can't imagine them getting away with using a nursery rhyme to attract players to a fruit machine now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 More progress on setting up initial extract stuff for MFME components BarcrestBwbVideo BfmVideo AceVideo MaygayVideo PrismLamp (except image extraction) Bitmap (except image extraction) SevenSegmentBlock (in progress) 4 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 There is already artwork for Ace Video Sidewinder in MAME sadly its mute due to the sound chip being unknown it is however with sound in MFME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serene02 Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 So looking forward to the BWB games !!! A dream come true, for me at least J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Altharic said: There is already artwork for Ace Video Sidewinder in MAME sadly its mute due to the sound chip being unknown it is however with sound in MFME. Sadly with Chris's code being lost, the process of getting board photos/schematics for these will prob need doing again... at least once it's in MAME it's open source, and won't be lost again 38 minutes ago, serene02 said: So looking forward to the BWB games !!! A dream come true, for me at least J Just checked, that currently just has synth sounds in MAME, no sampled sounds (that play when you get nudges etc) working at present... [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 3 hours ago, serene02 said: So looking forward to the BWB games !!! A dream come true, for me at least J Just noticed, it looks like the BWB font is a pixel perfect copy of the font from Mortal Kombat (The only change I could see was a couple of pixels trimmed from the middle of the 'M') ... it really was a wild west back then, that shit would not fly now! Reno Reels: Mortal Kombat: 2 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serene02 Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 It was mate . Nice spot !! J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeRandomGuy Posted September 25, 2022 Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 The TMS1000 is now dumped! Should have some time later today to look at it, if everything goes according to plan then it shouldn't take more than a couple days at most to hook the sound up. As far as other Black Box progress is going, looks like I'm on the last game now which is BWB's Golden Spin, seems to be a rebuild of some club machine. Though it won't be easy, it has even more unemulated hardware which is not surprising at this point and even better, a custom codebase that's different from all the Bellfruit stuff I've seen so far. Probably won't be quick, but getting closer to being able to finally wrap things up 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnparker007 Posted September 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, SomeRandomGuy said: The TMS1000 is now dumped! Should have some time later today to look at it, if everything goes according to plan then it shouldn't take more than a couple days at most to hook the sound up. As far as other Black Box progress is going, looks like I'm on the last game now which is BWB's Golden Spin, seems to be a rebuild of some club machine. Though it won't be easy, it has even more unemulated hardware which is not surprising at this point and even better, a custom codebase that's different from all the Bellfruit stuff I've seen so far. Probably won't be quick, but getting closer to being able to finally wrap things up Amazing news on the TMS1000 dump! (and thanks again to Sean for his decapping/scanning work) ...and keep up the good work man - that'll be three brand new platforms in MAME from you now once you've done Golden Spin, really great progress Edited September 25, 2022 by johnparker007 [ Arcade Simulator ] Pre-alpha installer: http://arcadesimulator.net | Known Issues: https://tinyurl.com/yz4uom2e | Donation info: https://tinyurl.com/yzvgl4xo [ Community Drive ] The drive: http://tinyurl.com/yckze665 [ Fruit Machine Database ] Initial google sheets (WIP): https://tinyurl.com/2c5znxzz [ Fruit Machine ROM Archive ] The archive: https://tinyurl.com/3jhzbueb [ MFME Launch ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/MFMELaunch [ Oasis ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/Oasis [ Sound ROM Editor ] Source code: https://github.com/johnparker007/SoundRomEditor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf676 Posted September 25, 2022 Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 Black Box is sooo sexy I love pullover-man and the girls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altharic Posted September 25, 2022 Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 Someone on the MAME team is feeling brave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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