Emptiers!!!!!!!!!

[Zippy]

I also know where a few of these are but they are in those wide rio type of cabs.

[logopolis]

This method is very good. There were times when I played a £5 machine that was a long way from the streak. I managed to get a lot of these 7s and cherries wins waiting for the streak to come round and still made a small profit from a machine that would have cost over £100 for the £35/£40 streak.

[fjustices]

A hybrid method now that would be pretty interesting. I still find it mad that so many lo-tech machines had tricks I mean there's not really an awful lot you can do on them but somehow there still managed to be emptiers.

[Zippy]

It was never really about the enjoyment of playing any machine I was going to empty as it was mainly about the anticipation of when will I get barred, they'll get rid of it and of course how full it was. Always left plenty of cash and tokens in the ones I was doing and always changed up 30 or 40 quid but when it all kicked off for me I really did take the piss, use to go in pubs and ask for a coke or a glass of water rinse the machine and bugger off but stopped that when I started getting a taste for lager.

Ace had the most exploits on it, line, spot the ball, flicking and free creds, program had to be changed several times 92 and/or 96, 01, 04 then 06 are the ones I remember, 06 could be emptied via free creds but was a bitch to get. Imagine an engineer changing the program for the landlord to find out in several days it has been emptied again.

[logopolis]

I never really understood why pubs moaned about players buying glasses of coke. Surely they made more money charging nearly £2 for a glass of coke than they did with the alcohol!

[fjustices]

I think you can also do the three holds on a single reel on cherries as well, which might help a bit

[Zippy]

Been a bit busy but have dabbled into it before being called away on a multi drop. Will report back tomorrow evening as still going to do all three.

[logopolis]

2 hours ago, fjustices said:

I think you can also do the three holds on a single reel on cherries as well, which might help a bit

Always try it on cherries on the £5 version as I mentioned above

[Zippy]

Right I have mastered this now and the best % to have it on to do this is 76%, don't ask why but over the last several months I have tried every % and this one has played much much better, 3 hrs on it this time and started the cash kill on £130 up then it went absolutely nuts. Will do a two part video on this in the next couple of weeks.

 

[GeorgeJG]

Logopolis - I once asked a publican that very question and his reply was that a pub was for people to socialise and hopefully enjoy one another's company. Things such as darts or a pool table for example where just diversions to hopefully bring people together in a non violent manner! 

He was always disappointed when people ordered a coke (unless designated driver) instead of a 'proper drink' and equated it into going to the best curry house in town and ordering a portion of chips. However he did concede the mark up was better and no messing about with barrels in a cellar! 

Note that this was back in the early 2000s when gentrification was of a lesser magnitude than today and pub's were slightly more traditional. Nowadays we all now it's compulsory to wear a mask, not touch any dirty fruit machines (if indeed there are any) and order a super green smoothie with five bean salad accompanied perhaps by a designer guest ale from a micro brewery. 

 

Alex - a lot of Big J's emptiers involve plugging. I may be speaking out of turn here but what he does/did shouldn't take value out the machine to leave it dead, in fact quite the opposite. It buzzes up the machine as the win is free on plugging. You may well have played a lot of dead £6 jackpot machines in your formative years but I'd put that down to bad %s, f***ed hardware/dodgy operators and other methods that did leave machines super dead. 

[Chopaholic]

6 hours ago, GeorgeJG said:

Alex - a lot of Big J's emptiers involve plugging. I may be speaking out of turn here but what he does/did shouldn't take value out the machine to leave it dead, in fact quite the opposite. It buzzes up the machine as the win is free on plugging. You may well have played a lot of dead £6 jackpot machines in your formative years but I'd put that down to bad %s, f***ed hardware/dodgy operators and other methods that did leave machines super dead. 

 

As I understood it the way to do a plugging emptier 'properly' was to play out the accumulated value in the machine before leaving, mostly to increase profits but also to mitigate the risk of the machine running empty (which is always a red flag to an operator).

Also this doesn't just go for plugging, but also free win emptiers like on Maygay machines where it was possible to get wins through the block (Money Money Money, Super Pots etc).

i.e. Don't actually empty the machine, and don't leave a load of value in it, the goal being to take as much out of the machine as possible, and leave it dead or near dead before moving on.

[Zippy]

Spot on Chops, play an Ace/M1a or a Bell Fruit and you'll get mullered after it has been hammered with streaks/repeats etc. I tried MMM a couple of months ago after I played it for £150 odd profit then played it without manipulating it once think it was about £400 before it streaked and went dead offering small wins and the odd fiver her and there on a less than even keel basis. Surprise Surprize was one that was an exception with a few others as after you killed it you could always kick it back up within £20-£30....

^^^most I use to get going with a tenner or less as fucked off the bells and went straight for the double lined Jackpot feature with possible repeat, four or five repeats on that then going for the others especially Mystery Win (which is the last win you had so it is hardly a bloody mystery lmao) and no more dosh down the back dropping in the cashbox (if it was full)^^^ 

....but what would be the point, knew of idiots that did some machines and they went within a week or two. The most important thing about emptying was to leave money/tokens in the machine and not just a few quid, yes nick a tube of tokens (yes many had two tubes of them) so you don't have to put cash in when you go back and leave £15 in quids minimum and a fiver in 20p's but make sure you pay the barman/landlord for your drink with the biggest denomination of note you have (just use twenty's and fifty's) as he in turn will think you are going to change the rest of the notes into coins which you will and buy another drink, so when you take out and leave you can change back twenty of your quids  into notes, you'll be welcomed with open arms next week, also found giving it the odd bang and calling it a bastard helped the situation. All psychological bullshit and mostly diverted attention away from me until you get that one nosey bastard who either has his eye on you or your arse lol lap it up darling

George you want me to send this Party Time over now I have finished with it, you can fill it up for me, I'll be over here doing another and will wait on you

[GeorgeJG]

Fair enough, I wasn't thinking straight, plenty of games that could be mullered and even the pluggers as Alex says would be mullered by someone who knew what they were doing to leave it relatively dead.  

That said roll on to 2007 and you had people doing the 4 reel purple cab deals leaving silly value in the main feature pot after ripping the end box pot mercilessly. Party Time over a decade earlier, no Internet, less players but still sounds like you had the usual idiots ruining things. Before my time as a more serious player, I can remember similar machines of the era, Spectre, Barcode, Streets Ahead etc one for the download list. 

[GamerzSpinz]

Does anyone if someone tried to scam me? A arcade somewhere tried to sell me a clockwork oranges free spins single player for a grand then when i said it has to be taken up stairs they said NO. This was one of a few sellers who admitted they have had enough of it going empty on the pound stake and note acceptor jamming when it pays notes out and the fact hardly anyone plays them as most people go to the older Rio Cabinets which is understandable for a seaside arcade as the Rio Cabs keep them guys in business and keep customers happy and their engineers fix their own machines. If a seller asks for one grand for one single player clockwork orange free spins is it true for just me it would last a lifetime and never need spare parts and would i have to reprogram it to 10p a spin?

[GamerzSpinz]

On 31/03/2021 at 15:19, GeorgeJG said:

Fair enough, I wasn't thinking straight, plenty of games that could be mullered and even the pluggers as Alex says would be mullered by someone who knew what they were doing to leave it relatively dead.  

That said roll on to 2007 and you had people doing the 4 reel purple cab deals leaving silly value in the main feature pot after ripping the end box pot mercilessly. Party Time over a decade earlier, no Internet, less players but still sounds like you had the usual idiots ruining things. Before my time as a more serious player, I can remember similar machines of the era, Spectre, Barcode, Streets Ahead etc one for the download list. 

Astra Games or Novomatic where Empire Games are based under their name need to go back to 2007 all way through to 2011 and get their older games in new cabinets and get them back and refurbish the older machines into a more manageable hd screen reel set and feature board the same then all this led bulbs, reels, clamps etc will be wiped out and easier to fix. Remember the 777 Cabinets? They still work today and the newer ones have screens that break and damage and dont last as long. Slot Machines have to be built like a tank like they use to be as its funny that the old Rio Cabinets still keep going today and all the WOW Cabs are worn out. Proof older way of making slot machines was the more long term cost effective way. In this day and age with production lines using computers it would be faster to make them. My view on the matter, bring back older games and remove themselfs from new games and let Australia, KONOAMI and America make the new ones as tourist income. 

[GeorgeJG]

Clockwork Orange Free spins with the clock middle symbol and usual clockwork orange symbols 3*3 way for feature entry? There are two programs afaik, one that saves up the numbers from the middle clock symbol like an earlier machine, Pure Madness and the other one doesn't, it just dapples the numbers on a feature entry with symbol clock symbol on win line. I would think 10p stake is just a setting on the stakes/prizes key. 

£1,000 sounds seriously steep. That game bombed in terms of cash box performance compared to any other incarnation of clockwork oranges. You're right the WOW cabinets are built cheaply comparted to some techs. The marketing was always geared toward a budget value purchase for an AGC rather than something that would go head to head with the latest games. 

Afaik there's no empty for the software itself but the red note recycler if of a certain type was vulnerable to an illegal exploit which possibly explains the £1 stake comment or merely the fact that the hopper was only £250 not £350 and on arcade settings they do streak well eventually. If that's the case then typical arcade owner blind to the fact that Flo might be putting in £500+ for the streak and seething when she wins over £250 on the eventual streak. Could you trust that sort of character to give you a fair price for second hand goods?

It depends how much you like the game but I'd say £150 tops for that tech/genre. They are prone to reel alignment errors, plus door and note acceptor security issues. 

 

Digital cabs versus mechanical? Pros and cons. Digital looks more modern, more player appeal but when it does go wrong it generally requires a different skill set to correct as a pose to mechanical. Digital generally more reliable as less moving parts but of course build quality be it a PC or set of analogue reels counts for a lot. I can't see Novomatic etc ever revisiting the Empire back catalogue much as it's an appealing idea to most on this forum. There's no way that the euro friendly high cash box earning powerhouses of Admiral and Cashino Gaming venues on the high street would every go for that. Even a lo tech Cash in the Box would mean nothing versus a Lucky Jewels or Chip Runner Hot Deluxe Magic. 

[GamerzSpinz]

1 hour ago, GeorgeJG said:

Clockwork Orange Free spins with the clock middle symbol and usual clockwork orange symbols 3*3 way for feature entry? There are two programs afaik, one that saves up the numbers from the middle clock symbol like an earlier machine, Pure Madness and the other one doesn't, it just dapples the numbers on a feature entry with symbol clock symbol on win line. I would think 10p stake is just a setting on the stakes/prizes key. 

£1,000 sounds seriously steep. That game bombed in terms of cash box performance compared to any other incarnation of clockwork oranges. You're right the WOW cabinets are built cheaply comparted to some techs. The marketing was always geared toward a budget value purchase for an AGC rather than something that would go head to head with the latest games. 

Afaik there's no empty for the software itself but the red note recycler if of a certain type was vulnerable to an illegal exploit which possibly explains the £1 stake comment or merely the fact that the hopper was only £250 not £350 and on arcade settings they do streak well eventually. If that's the case then typical arcade owner blind to the fact that Flo might be putting in £500+ for the streak and seething when she wins over £250 on the eventual streak. Could you trust that sort of character to give you a fair price for second hand goods?

It depends how much you like the game but I'd say £150 tops for that tech/genre. They are prone to reel alignment errors, plus door and note acceptor security issues. 

 

Digital cabs versus mechanical? Pros and cons. Digital looks more modern, more player appeal but when it does go wrong it generally requires a different skill set to correct as a pose to mechanical. Digital generally more reliable as less moving parts but of course build quality be it a PC or set of analogue reels counts for a lot. I can't see Novomatic etc ever revisiting the Empire back catalogue much as it's an appealing idea to most on this forum. There's no way that the euro friendly high cash box earning powerhouses of Admiral and Cashino Gaming venues on the high street would every go for that. Even a lo tech Cash in the Box would mean nothing versus a Lucky Jewels or Chip Runner Hot Deluxe Magic. 

I rejected the offer and noticed JNC Sales charges £595 for Rio Clockwork Oranges. You can still buy reels for them but the manufacturer of the reels will only produce a full production line of 25 per order for the Rio cabinet reels thats over six hundred pounds alone. 

The Rio cabs belong in arcades, WOW cabs should be reduced and sold to home use only on the cheap as i seen one person put a coat hanger in the coin mechanism and drop the pound coins out. Them WOW Cabs were the worse mistake for arcades and bingo halls and after one year they were riddled with alarm 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 and the lock on the plastic button holder came loose from the main reel base meaning people could rip them off. 

Pure Madness add letters on pound stake was bad for £250 hoppers. people put notes in them and emptied the coins. If you get full collection of the Red Add Letters Cherrys paid five pounds, pears paid eight pound, grapes paid twelve pound, strawberrys paid twenty six pound and bells at £70 and it took credits and carried on and went empty. 

They were poorly programmed and note acceptors should be programmed to only transfer money to the machines bank or print off a voucher to annoy the lazy fools who cant be bothered walking to the change machine. 

Pure Madness Add letters was fun but games like that with £70 jackpots belong on the tripple 7s or above where the print off vouchers and the Rio type cabs go back to £35 jackpots and stick to 25p stake and take the 50p stake out and keep 50p and £1 and £2 on the top end cabinets that issue vouchers and keep the £250 hopper older Rio cabs alone and dump them in bingo hall smoking areas where they will probably never run empty. 

[GeorgeJG]

Super rare is Pure Madness on the £100 'Novomatic' flat front cab. I think you can even get it on i-bet/i-serve etc, maybe only on the hacked menu though. I quite like Pure Madness as a game and it can streak big, the rest of the Empire Wow from that era are a bit weak in my opinion, pig money etc 

Analogue Madness in a near by Mecca is on ticket in/ticket out but that is a very rare set up, as rare as seeing one on a digital Astra/Novo cab. The big streak can even empty a £350 hopper at times!

 

 

[logopolis]

Pure Madness was a dangerous game to play. The note acceptor would still be lit even if there was only a few coins left in the hopper. These were the type of games where you had to know the state of play and how much it had paid. Similar to the Empire Gold Run.

[spa]

On 18/03/2021 at 15:43, logopolis said:

I never really understood why pubs moaned about players buying glasses of coke. Surely they made more money charging nearly £2 for a glass of coke than they did with the alcohol!

Yeah.... but now we all go a coke addiction and can't sleep at night as we still buzzing with sugar!

[Zippy]

55 minutes ago, spa said:

Yeah.... but now we all go a coke addiction and can't sleep at night as we still buzzing with sugar!

Depends which type of ''coke" you mean sniff sniff

[spa]

Coke n smoke. Everyone has a vice! Although my coke is red cans lol

[Zippy]

Hi=Lo Silver exploit/emptier.

Thanks to @Clo06 for this great layout and have been wanting to do this for sometime but my lazy fat arse couldn't get in gear, enjoy!!

 

[cliffc]

10 hours ago, Big J said:

Hi=Lo Silver exploit/emptier.

Thanks to @Clo06 for this great layout and have been wanting to do this for sometime but my lazy fat arse couldn't get in gear, enjoy!!

And there was the Choose a nudge cheat as well.

10 hours ago, Big J said:

 

 

 

[Zippy]

4 hours ago, cliffc said:

And there was the Choose a nudge cheat as well.

 

 

Oh do elaborate??

 

This one isn't just about switching it off there are a couple of other little things to look out for