HiveMindPlym Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Hi, I have just watched @Chopaholic's video My Barcrest Alien has an 'average percentage pay-out of 78%' sticker (although I think mine is actually set at about 88%) Is this different to an RTP? I get that this isn't a random machine, it's compensated, although mine is on the 1.3 or 0.3 (whichever took away all the cheating) I just found it interesting that in all that recent regulation the video went through, the machines still had to advertise their win percentage in 2009. So really nothing has changed in the game industry at all! What was in place to stop a landlord changing to their own win rate and keeping a higher percentage sticker on the machine? I was a total novice player, and I'd never have known. The landlord would have to have had keys in case of malfunction, right? Not just the maintenance guy. If all you guys were working out how to rince them, there's no way a landlord or two wouldn't have tried their own con? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Hog Mad Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 It's no wonder people find emptiers/fiddles for machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondplayer Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, HiveMindPlym said: My Barcrest Alien has an 'average percentage pay-out of 78%' sticker (although I think mine is actually set at about 88%) Is this different to an RTP? I get that this isn't a random machine, it's compensated, although mine is on the 1.3 or 0.3 (whichever took away all the cheating) No widely distributed build took away all the cheating (but a couple of rogue builds were around that give an impossible hint or relock the bonus inexplicably) - I think chop did a video on the Alien method that worked on the widely distributed later build. 4 hours ago, HiveMindPlym said: I just found it interesting that in all that recent regulation the video went through, the machines still had to advertise their win percentage in 2009. So really nothing has changed in the game industry at all! What was in place to stop a landlord changing to their own win rate and keeping a higher percentage sticker on the machine? I was a total novice player, and I'd never have known. The landlord would have to have had keys in case of malfunction, right? Not just the maintenance guy. If all you guys were working out how to rince them, there's no way a landlord or two wouldn't have tried their own con? Generally only the supplier company would have the keys to the top and bottom doors (note they usually have an extra padlock on top of the usual lock in each case). Would be exceptions of course. Your box will be CASHPOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl smith Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I watched the whole thing. Most of this i knew. They still do the machine or have someone playing in the background now. Anybody see the episode of 'Still Game' (with the 2 pensioners)? One episode was a few of them taking it in turns using a clicker in the local pub to calculate each pound put in so they could predict when it payed the £1000 jp good series. Percentage, so many people with thier wrong or BS explainations of how to explain it in the past when i knew the guy was right. It can say whatever on the machine, it don't mean a thing. Owners can tune it down and if you were a regular arcade rat like me living in a seaside town with arcades and going from place to place by train that had arcades you would know most machines, features, how much it took to payout so you would know the percantage just by watching someone playing. During the late 90's and early 2000's they introduced decent machines, most with features and a lot which did runs but had a half way mark where about £15 to £20 after a run it would give a win and then nothing for about another £10 then it would run again and pay out. Token machines, where JP was token payout obviously wouldn't pay out jp if there wasn't the JP amount in the token tube so percentage was out the window. Found that out the hard way. How guy lost thousands in arcades playing the same machines is beyond me. I had a system where i would turn up to the arcade first thing, take everything, play something small and wait untill it got busy and watched who was playing and spending what. Simple but effective. RTP, same thing with these low pay low risk slots, you would know how good or bad it was. Pubs and clubs, no chance, got rinsed as they were usually taken before opening or the staff or owner would play it after closing and take jp and hope it wasn't the cahspot if it was a £100 or £200 we have all heard stories of this happening. Haven't played a slot in a pub in 15 years. RTP on online casinos are terrible, so many sites where you play the lowest stake and you won't get a feature for 20 to 30 mins and then pays out nothing. So many fake reviews on trustpilot and the gaming commision must be blind or getting thier cut. Either way. Once an online slot site gets bad publicity, they just close down and open a new one, change the name or update the site to look different. Theres loads of organisations that have a load of sister sites. I don't mind a tenner online and do win now and again but thats my limit. Gamstop etc are useless, just gives you an annoying reminder every 30 mins or an hours asking you if you wan't to close down. Yes, i would like to close down on a slot that hasn't given fck all for an hour. Done in purpose to see if you click yes by mistake and then resetts the slot. Yes it has gotten worse with trying to keep the player playing, my fave latest one is the ones in my club 3000. Put money or money that you need laundered into the machine, win, get a reciept with the balance. I think its designed so it doesn't look like money so that you won't think about it too much when you put that into the machine and get rinsed. If you want to wash a bit of money, just go on afew at a time then put the receipts into a bit payout machine and build up a big balance and get a big reciept then cash it in at the desk. The other one that has ruined it for people like myself that like a bit of a gamble but don't want £20 to last 35 seconds and at least 10 mins it the machines that target kids and pressure parents where you watch your kid put £20 worth of money in to maybe win jp of 800...tickets, not £8 worth. No. Gets you something you could buy from the shop next door for 50p. All these arcades have them and some are just these greed machines because they are just 95% profit. This is where the gaming commision and authorities have gone wrong and need to look at these things. As you can guess, i've had my fair share of experience, stories and admitedly i was addicted to them at one point in my life. £10 online once a week if i'm lucky and thats after paying bills etc. Can't afford it and wouldn't spend on these new expensive things if i could. £1 a spin. I wouldn't trust something where i would spend loads of money, win big and still have the chance of not paying out. If i do win online or have a withdrawl i take screenshots just in case. I'm glad theres a site like this for people that have that urge or feeling of nostalgia that can play your old faves and not get rinsed as well as read up on other people experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveMindPlym Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 On 07/01/2026 at 14:58, dondplayer said: No widely distributed build took away all the cheating (but a couple of rogue builds were around that give an impossible hint or relock the bonus inexplicably) - I think chop did a video on the Alien method that worked on the widely distributed later build. Generally only the supplier company would have the keys to the top and bottom doors (note they usually have an extra padlock on top of the usual lock in each case). Would be exceptions of course. OK thanks Il take a look, no way mine is doing the £70 push out in the corner method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondplayer Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, HiveMindPlym said: OK thanks Il take a look, no way mine is doing the £70 push out in the corner method. The corner method was stopped by what people widely refer to as P4 (program 4). So for your build you will need the bonus unlock then at least some of the life, steps, super 7, etc. As I say I think chop did do a vid. 1 Your box will be CASHPOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Tang Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just on the subject of Still Game, I've never seen so many doable machines in one pub. Over the course of 9 series (and the last 3 were shite so I don't remember them), they had: King Kebab Cashraker 6 Shooter (Vivid) Grandslam Hi-spirits There's definitely others I've forgotten too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveMindPlym Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, dondplayer said: The corner method was stopped by what people widely refer to as P4 (program 4). So for your build you will need the bonus unlock then at least some of the life, steps, super 7, etc. As I say I think chop did do a vid. TBH I own it, I am a little scared of 'breaking it' in case it went into some kind of manager mode I couldn't get out of, like a full on Barcrest send out job, that obviously would just kill the machine in this day and age! So i'l just watch his videos... Obviously there are the emulators if I ever feel the need! Thanks though! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondplayer Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 17 minutes ago, HiveMindPlym said: TBH I own it, I am a little scared of 'breaking it' in case it went into some kind of manager mode I couldn't get out of, like a full on Barcrest send out job, that obviously would just kill the machine in this day and age! So i'l just watch his videos... Obviously there are the emulators if I ever feel the need! Thanks though! Good call - I believe repeating the method can 'critical' these if they are set to a too high percentage. Your box will be CASHPOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearecity Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) On 07/01/2026 at 10:19, HiveMindPlym said: Hi, I have just watched @Chopaholic's video My Barcrest Alien has an 'average percentage pay-out of 78%' sticker (although I think mine is actually set at about 88%) Just open up the cash door, let it initialise and then during its message on the aplha, it should show the target percentage. Edited January 8 by wearecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginge Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 On 08/01/2026 at 16:34, Reg Tang said: Just on the subject of Still Game, I've never seen so many doable machines in one pub. Over the course of 9 series (and the last 3 were shite so I don't remember them), they had: King Kebab Cashraker 6 Shooter (Vivid) Grandslam Hi-spirits There's definitely others I've forgotten too. Love a bit of Still game great program. haunted house was another one I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slotsmagic Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 (edited) On 08/01/2026 at 17:26, dondplayer said: Good call - I believe repeating the method can 'critical' these if they are set to a too high percentage. I'm sure I critical errored my MPU6 Pacman Power Up when I owned it, and did manage to clear it. I'm sure you could navigate to a RAM clear or similar option on the MPU6 itself and it does sort it. But wouldn't recommend trying it unless someone were able to confirm first and make sure it wasn't just a dream I had For what it's worth - it wasn't a critical from overpaying - it was actually me brute forcing it to the extent it tripped it, probably as I was about £500+ in without collecting any wins Edited January 10 by slotsmagic Attempting to quit gambling since January 1st 2025. Lapse on Wednesday 12th November 2025 Lapse on Tuesday 13th January 2026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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