Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) Like I say, I can't speak for other manufacturers, but there's allot of dodgy code out there, it at least used to be. Edited August 3 by Projectgilda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 I did like Sidewinder, never had any terrible experiences on it to be fair. But I would only force the top feature. The thing was with these if there was still value it would still be numbering so it didn't really matter how you took those jackpot values. I generally took nemesis on the lower stakes as it was more often that not all the way for £14.40 or whatever it was. I think the lower state RollerCoaster played a decent game. J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) Lower prize/stake ratios always made for a better JPM game. Edited August 3 by Projectgilda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 2 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: Like I say, I can't speak for other manufacturers, but there's allot of dodgy code out there, it at least used to be. For the last few days you've been saying 99.9% of exploits were mistakes. Now you're saying there's 'a lot of dodgy code'. You can't have it both ways, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Just now, Projectgilda said: Trust me, it isn't. I mean, when numbering, the game is pretty boring when it's not jackpot ready J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Just now, Boulderdash said: For the last few days you've been saying 99.9% of exploits were mistakes. Now you're saying there's 'a lot of dodgy code'. You can't have it both ways, sir. Think he means, he hasn't been involved in any dodgy coding. He can't speak for other coders. He kept it clean J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Just now, thealteredemu said: Think he means, he hasn't been involved in any dodgy coding. He can't speak for other coders. He kept it clean J That may be so, but that's not what he said earlier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 I mean have any other awp coders been charged with anything? I assume code is commented on later techs so putting anything intentional would be spotted. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 99.9% was a statement relative to my machines not other manufacturers. Lots of dodgy stuff in other machines that had nothing to do with me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Especially is higher level languages. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 2 minutes ago, Boulderdash said: That may be so, but that's not what he said earlier. What did I say earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) @Projectgilda To be fair you did say this 99.9% are unintentional from my experience So you were speaking about yourself in that statement. J Edited August 3 by thealteredemu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 8 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: What did I say earlier? You said "99.9% are unintentional from my experience and get re-prommed when they are discovered". Now you're saying "there's a lot of dodgy code out there". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMonster Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: A true skill Jackpot has already passed it's 50/50 so instead of the player just hitting a fast yes/no they get a skill shot. Feels better for the player. If you play Nemesis enough it'll work out at max prize = 1/4. You may not believe it but it's true. Rollercoaster feature can repeat 4 times so circa £50. Though after 2 the 50/50 chance is reduced (can't remember to exactly what). Nemesis was always 50/50. My machines were more interested in giving a Jackpot as opposed to multiple 'big streak' jackpots that just killed the machine. Indiana Jones is a great example where going for the end is a fruitless task when your passing on several jackpot features on the board. Going back to Rollercoaster. I see people turning down test your strength which I've always thought was crazy. Turning down a jackpot for a small chance of landing on a bigger feature that has to pass a credit check. But everyone has there own way to play I guess. The only time I'd collect the waltzers or nemesis is if I landed on it and not test your strength. There is just no way - i'm sorry - We will have to agree to disagree. I played £10 RC's in a very specific way - always going for Nemesis as long as it was numbering. I would ALWAYS gamble hi lo off Test your Strength and Waltzers, on any number, because the £28.80 reward for Nemesis was so good AND it did not mind winning - even on normal JPM death numbers from 5 through 8. I would also gamble off any number on the JPM cash win to get to the yellow bars, cos it would then happily spin a 1 or 5. If it went past Nemesis, then I would take a JP rather than push for RC, and just recycle. This method was far more profitable than just collecting any JP's offered - which is how I had originally played it. Even If I was offered TYS 1st board, I wasn't collecting. Its worth mentioning, that I live in a seaside resort, at one point I had 5 or 6 £10 versions very locally at the same time, and they were almost by bread and butter. I had a LOT of experience with this game. A second factor was that TYS would repeat once in a blue moon, Waltzers more often but would only step once on the repeat (you could get around £18 if you hit it before and let it step to JP for the repeat) but that was it - you werent ever getting £30 of TYS or Waltzers and yet......for Nemesis....I said 90% plus in an earlier post, but it was more like 95% - you just knew you were getting £28.80. It defo changed on my local one which did get a £15 Chip, which I then started to play differently - but the £10 version was Nemesis all the way, and onto a JP or RC feature if it went past. Other games, you hoped for a repeat or a streak - just like with the RC feature itself. Nemesis was a pretty much sure thing. Honestly - collect Nemesis 100 times on the £10 versions emulated on here. You will get the full amount way way way more than the 1 in 4 you are suggesting here. My money is on between 92 and 99 going the full way. EDIT - Maybe, just maybe, this is how a fully settled in RC with tens of thousands of £'s worth of play through it would behave - and not how it was intended. Edited August 3 by MikeyMonster Added last paragraph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 "From my experience" clearly means my issues with faults in software. No-one elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: "From my experience" clearly means my issues with faults in software. No-one elses. It most clearly does not. You've come here defending a bent industry, claiming 99.9% of exploits were accidental, but this is patently bullshit, as you've just admitted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 2 minutes ago, MikeyMonster said: There is just no way - i'm sorry - We will have to agree to disagree. I played £10 RC's in a very specific way - always going for Nemesis as long as it was numbering. I would ALWAYS gamble hi lo off Test your Strength and Waltzers, on any number, because the £28.80 reward for Nemesis was so good AND it did not mind winning - even on normal JPM death numbers from 5 through 8. I would also gamble off any number on the JPM cash win to get to the yellow bars, cos it would then happily spin a 1 or 5. If it went past Nemesis, then I would take a JP rather than push for RC, and just recycle. This method was far more profitable than just collecting any JP's offered - which is how I had originally played it. Even If I was offered TYS 1st board, I wasn't collecting. Its worth mentioning, that I live in a seaside resort, at one point I had 5 or 6 £10 versions very locally at the same time, and they were almost by bread and butter. I had a LOT of experience with this game. A second factor was that TYS would repeat once in a blue moon, Waltzers more often but would only step once on the repeat (you could get around £18 if you hit it before and let it step to JP for the repeat) but that was it - you werent ever getting £30 of TYS or Waltzers and yet......for Nemesis....I said 90% plus in an earlier post, but it was more like 95% - you just knew you were getting £28.80. It defo changed on my local one which did get a £15 Chip, which I then started to play differently - but the £10 version was Nemesis all the way, and onto a JP or RC feature if it went past. Other games, you hoped for a repeat or a streak - just like with the RC feature itself. Nemesis was a pretty much sure thing. Honestly - collect Nemesis 100 times on the £10 versions emulated on here. You will get the full amount way way way more than the 1 in 4 you are suggesting here. My money is on between 92 and 99 going the full way. What if someone took a Rollercoaster for £30 but it was still numbering, there might only be enough value to go so far on Nemesis. Surely if the machine has enough value it will offer the full value. Be worth testing in mfme take a top feature then snag a Nemesis see if you see any variance. I think it more likely dependant on the current % and what the machine can actually afford. It might well be 50/50 but maybe it’s dependant on other variables in play as well. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopaholic Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Another vote for £28.80p being all but guaranteed off Nemesis on £10 Roller Coasters, I don't even have to think back that far as we had one in an arcade here until not that long ago, had Nemesis off it a few times and every single time it was £28.80p. Maybe there were some chips that had different behaviours, and the £15 ROMs didn't behave the same at all, but on the £10 jackpots, Nemesis was basically £28.80p. Direct timestamped link to the one in the arcade here doing it in 2017 2 Fruit machine emulation content from the artist previously known as Degsy Degworth and the odd new thing here and there too - https://www.youtube.com/c/DegsyDegworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 Just now, thealteredemu said: What if someone took a Rollercoaster for £30 but it was still numbering, there might only be enough value to go so far on Nemesis. Surely if the machine has enough value it will offer the full value. Be worth testing in mfme take a top feature then snag a Nemesis see if you see any variance. I think it more likely dependant on the current % and what the machine can actually afford. It might well be 50/50 but maybe it’s dependant on other variables in play as well. J There is precisely zero chance the credit breaks on nemesis are 50/50. Anyone who has played the machine for more than five minutes knows this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealteredemu Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 That’s why I said there are other variables in play. I don’t want to just diss this guy, I’m not a coder so I don’t know. Why would he lie about it? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectgilda Posted August 3 Author Report Share Posted August 3 "I've come here defending a bent industry". Okaaaaay! I can only reference personal experiences and not one of my games was purposefully "bent". Mistakes and emptiers went out but never were intentional. Hark all you like about a "bent industry", that's no skin off my nose. I just know that I did everything by the book bar the few mistakes that slipped through the test department (something I explained in a previous post). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMonster Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, thealteredemu said: That’s why I said there are other variables in play. I don’t want to just diss this guy, I’m not a coder so I don’t know. Why would he lie about it? J Thats why my longish post is written the way it is. I'm defo not attacking Andrew - but the £10 RC is not 50/50 for a credit break on Nemesis. AND - there can't be any other variables - its either 50/50 (or worse like the 0 % chance we know some repeats have) or its not. If it can't legally be higher as is claimed, then other variables are all irrelevant. @Chopaholic work on BIG 50 would seem to bear more resemblance to a straight 50/50 - you can get the machine miles behind, and yet the repeats do seem to be 50/50 and once in a fair few times you will get 2/3/4 repast's - absolutely in line with a genuine 50/50 at best shot. Nemesis behaviour is not like this at all. Edited August 3 by MikeyMonster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: "I've come here defending a bent industry". Okaaaaay! I can only reference personal experiences and not one of my games was purposefully "bent". Mistakes and emptiers went out but never were intentional. Hark all you like about a "bent industry", that's no skin off my nose. I just know that I did everything by the book bar the few mistakes that slipped through the test department (something I explained in a previous post). This is not a personal attack. I'm not claiming you put anything nefarious into your machines, and I've already said Rollercoaster was the perfect AWP, both here and many times on the forum. But you DID claim 99.9% of exploits were accidental, which we know full well to be bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderdash Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 50 minutes ago, Projectgilda said: If you play Nemesis enough it'll work out at max prize = 1/4. You may not believe it but it's true. It is not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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