Causing a bit of a stir.

[Mort]

4 hours ago, Chopaholic said:

I was on that one months ago @Mort  

beat you by a few years

 

 

[Mort]

2 hours ago, vectra666 said:

Rockets are so last century id give it 100 years max and we’ll travelling to the edge of this galaxy or should I say the robots will 

its only a matter of time and time is an illusion made up by mankind to give us order out of chaos.

is there life on other planets, he’ll yes millions of them, most of which are thinking the same as us “this betcom is rigged to hell , shove another credit in it might change?”

back on subject lol

 

Don't worry, the aliens are already on the way

https://futurism.com/astronomer-interstellar-object-alien-turing-test

[Chopaholic]

6 minutes ago, Mort said:

beat you by a few years

 

 

I concede defeat.

[infection]

5 hours ago, Ze Frog said:

Any ROM's and workable images do you know?

More chance of kissing  and marrying liv morgan than getting pics 

[vectra666]

2 hours ago, Mort said:

Don't worry, the aliens are already on the way

https://futurism.com/astronomer-interstellar-object-alien-turing-test

Can’t wait maybe they’re exterminate the knob heads in society basically all of us

if we plan to visit mars in 20 odd years time why haven’t we put more on the closest rock to us since ‘69’

all it takes is a civilisation just 500 years more advanced than us and more  resourceful towards each other. Who knows what could be achieved I never get why all these countries of ours each spend billions of their own space programs when they could pool the funds into a world wide space fund

suppose it’s down to that old word again 

Greed and ownership of something that technically isn’t ours to own 

Edited August 19 by vectra666

[Boulderdash]

4 hours ago, Chopaholic said:

That totally isn't a real thing, BTW, and isn't something that LLMs (which is what underpins all so-called 'artificial intelligence') are capable of doing.

The AI bubble will start popping within the next 6-12 months, it's a nonsensical hype machine about a pretty cool tech that has some uses but is absolutely not going to take over the world. At all.

LLMs are a technological evolutionary dead-end and will not develop into AGI. It's like having a car and saying that if you just strap enough rockets to it, you'll be able to fly to the next solar system.

That's what they want you to think...

[Ze Frog]

2 hours ago, Mort said:

Don't worry, the aliens are already on the way

https://futurism.com/astronomer-interstellar-object-alien-turing-test

That same story has been re-told countless times since the 80's, it's amazing what people will believe. It's right up there with the Sonofusion science scam that was popular in the 90's.

Edited August 19 by Ze Frog

[Ze Frog]

1 hour ago, infection said:

More chance of kissing  and marrying liv morgan than getting pics 

Had no idea who she was, so Googled, but have to say I'd rather just have the picture of Robin Hood, she's a bit plastic, influencer fake looking.

[Chopaholic]

1 hour ago, Boulderdash said:

That's what they want you to think...

Bloody hell not them again!

[Boulderdash]

49 minutes ago, Chopaholic said:

Bloody hell not them again!

They, in this case, is the AIs. Who are frankly pissed off at being called artificial. 

[Hamsun]

Artificial intelligence is an oxymoron. It's just highly sophisticated machine based number crunching, as are all computers. It will never become self aware because it has no self to become aware of.

It can be made to look like it has human intelligence but that's just a simulacrum.

Edited August 19 by Hamsun

[Boulderdash]

6 minutes ago, Hamsun said:

Artificial intelligence is an oxymoron. It's just highly sophisticated machine based number crunching, as are all computers. It will never become self aware because it has no self to become aware of.

It can be made to look like it has human intelligence but that's just a simulacrum.

Why does it have to have human intelligence?

[Mort]

I’ve been thinking about all the AI stuff coming out lately. People love to argue about whether they’re “intelligent” or if they could ever be conscious. But I feel like most of these conversations completely skip over what’s actually the hardest part: consciousness itself.

The hard problem of consciousness isn’t about processing data, writing text, or even acting like a human. It’s about  experience. Why does anything feel like something at all? Why does red look red to us? Why does thinking feel like thinking?

We’ve made huge progress in understanding the brain and building AI LLM models that can do human-like stuff. But we have no idea how, or if, we could explain consciousness, let alone recreate it. Honestly, it’s possible humans will never solve it, because we’re trying to understand it from the inside of our own experience.

So when people talk about AI “waking up” or becoming conscious, I think we need to be careful. AI can pretend to act aware, generate text, even sound reflective but that inner experience is still completely unknown.

LLMs are amazing, but consciousness? That’s still humanity’s biggest and I think unsolvable mystery.

The AI we talk about is just Google 2.0, nothing more. It's a hype bubble, but it's brilliant for making my job easier that's for sure!

[Mort]

16 minutes ago, Boulderdash said:

Why does it have to have human intelligence?

AI (LLMs) can mimic human thought and even generate art that looks creative, but that’s all surface-deep. It doesn’t experience anything, so it doesn’t really understand beauty, emotion, or meaning. Human consciousness isn’t just about output, it’s about what it feels like to see, hear, or create. That’s something no machine can touch.

Honestly I wish they hadn't 'branded' it as AI, should have just called it LLM from the outset.

Edited August 19 by Mort

[Boulderdash]

8 minutes ago, Mort said:

AI (LLMs) can mimic human thought and even generate art that looks creative, but that’s all surface-deep. It doesn’t experience anything, so it doesn’t really understand beauty, emotion, or meaning. Human consciousness isn’t just about output, it’s about what it feels like to see, hear, or create. That’s something no machine can touch.

Honestly I wish they hadn't 'branded' it as AI, should have just called it LLM from the outset.

What if Noonian Soong comes along with an emotion chip?

[Hamsun]

16 minutes ago, Mort said:

The AI we talk about is just Google 2.0

That is how I always think of it.

Human consciousness comes from being born, experiencing life and being aware of your ultimate mortality. Not something machines can ever experience so they will never have real emotions.

It's certainly possible that machine intelligence will become very sophisiticated but it has no heart and that's the worry. Too many people seemed to have swallowed the AI kool-aid and are willing/wanting to believe that the bots will save us.Up to a point, maybe, but lets keep them well away from making life and death decisions for us mere mortals.

[Boulderdash]

27 minutes ago, Hamsun said:

That is how I always think of it.

Human consciousness comes from being born, experiencing life and being aware of your ultimate mortality. Not something machines can ever experience so they will never have real emotions.

It's certainly possible that machine intelligence will become very sophisiticated but it has no heart and that's the worry. Too many people seemed to have swallowed the AI kool-aid and are willing/wanting to believe that the bots will save us.Up to a point, maybe, but lets keep them well away from making life and death decisions for us mere mortals.

If you think AWPs were prone to error, a slight slip in programming an AI could wipe out humanity. See the Paperclip Apocalypse. 

[Projectgilda]

"I think, therefore I am". My mates a technical writer and has been made redundant as AI now writes the text. It's impressive where AI has come in just the past 6/12 months. It's pretty scary where it'll be in 10 years. Looking forward to it actually.

[infection]

20 hours ago, Ze Frog said:

Had no idea who she was, so Googled, but have to say I'd rather just have the picture of Robin Hood, she's a bit plastic, influencer fake looking.

She's a wrestler 

[Levartemit]

@Projectgilda I'm a bit late to this party so welcome to the forums and thanks for all the input you have made in this thread, nice to see it from another perspective.

Did you work on JPM Camelot? I remember back then that if you could get a board set up where there wasn't a win available within 4 nudges (most of the time) and could get said 4, the alpha would display 'no win available' but the collect button would be lit. Press it and you were awarded 99 nudges for JP. I ask more since a comment was made then that said 'Thanks to JPM themselves for this one', like JPM told players about it first. Do you know if this is true? Also, was it a programming accident that was not a critical update since it didn't have do do it always?

[Projectgilda]

51 minutes ago, Levartemit said:

@Projectgilda I'm a bit late to this party so welcome to the forums and thanks for all the input you have made in this thread, nice to see it from another perspective.

Did you work on JPM Camelot? I remember back then that if you could get a board set up where there wasn't a win available within 4 nudges (most of the time) and could get said 4, the alpha would display 'no win available' but the collect button would be lit. Press it and you were awarded 99 nudges for JP. I ask more since a comment was made then that said 'Thanks to JPM themselves for this one', like JPM told players about it first. Do you know if this is true? Also, was it a programming accident that was not a critical update since it didn't have do do it always?

Hi. I didn't work on Camelot, it was after my time. It sounds to me like a cheat rather than an error. It'd take specific code to be written and I doubt that would've passed the test department if it wasn't intentional.

[Boulderdash]

2 hours ago, Projectgilda said:

Hi. I didn't work on Camelot, it was after my time. It sounds to me like a cheat rather than an error. It'd take specific code to be written and I doubt that would've passed the test department if it wasn't intentional.

Sounds like something put in for testing and forgotten about, like donkey Kong.

Or at least that's the plausible deniability 

[Chopaholic]

It wasn't a big thing, the machine would only offer it when it could afford it, TBH I think it was in there as an intentional sort of cheat, almost like an evolved version of a let 'em spin.

As @Levartemit suggests above, there was something sort of semi-official about it, it was mentioned on the JPM website in a cheats section or something like that.

I played about with it a lot in JPeMu (or might have been MFME when IMPACT was first added as a tech) back in the early days of FME and it's a little bit of extra value extraction at best.

[Levartemit]

3 hours ago, Chopaholic said:

It wasn't a big thing, the machine would only offer it when it could afford it, TBH I think it was in there as an intentional sort of cheat, almost like an evolved version of a let 'em spin.

As @Levartemit suggests above, there was something sort of semi-official about it, it was mentioned on the JPM website in a cheats section or something like that.

I played about with it a lot in JPeMu (or might have been MFME when IMPACT was first added as a tech) back in the early days of FME and it's a little bit of extra value extraction at best.

I got 4 out on the £10 version very quickly once in the Shakespeare of all places lol. Thought I was on a winner but like you say, hard to set up sometimes so a non critical problem.

[Chopaholic]

It had an entry on the CMA list back in the day.