Causing a bit of a stir.

[Projectgilda]

Boom sir, thank you ✌

[Chopaholic]

8 hours ago, Projectgilda said:

Boom sir, thank you ✌

Did you get up and running OK?

[Projectgilda]

Yup, thanks. I'm guessing downloads are limited? I down loaded 4 machines then it stated I didn't have permission to download anything else.

[Cavey]

I think you need to donate a few quid to the site to get unlimited(?) downloads.

This thread I believe.

 

 

[Zaphod79]

On 04/08/2025 at 21:52, stevedude2 said:

Back in the 90s when JPM started doing games in the Vogue cabinet, the first game I ever saw in that cab was some sort of Robin Hood-themed game with gold and silver arrows on the reels.

 

I played a *lot* of JPM's but dont remember this one however stumbled over a picture of it today so uploading 

[Projectgilda]

Yeah, that's Robin Hood. Didn't sell in big numbers hence the reason you never saw one. Good game though.

[Mort]

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Edited August 12 by Mort

[wearecity]

3 hours ago, Zaphod79 said:

I played a *lot* of JPM's but dont remember this one however stumbled over a picture of it today so uploading 

Wow thanks for sharing. I certainly don't remember it. 

[niallquinn]

On 09/08/2025 at 10:16, thealteredemu said:

What!!   I've never seen a £35 version.  I can't imagine how badly that would play!!  It would likely play a very different game with less obtainable jackpot features.  Do you have an image of this machine?

J

It's mentioned in this thread somewhere, the programmer mentioned it.

[jmaccers]

On 03/08/2025 at 20:38, Boulderdash said:

For the last few days you've been saying 99.9% of exploits were mistakes. 

Now you're saying there's 'a lot of dodgy code'.

You can't have it both ways, sir. 

 

On 03/08/2025 at 21:02, Boulderdash said:

It most clearly does not. 

You've come here defending a bent industry, claiming 99.9% of exploits were accidental, but this is patently bullshit, as you've just admitted. 

Man's only been here about 5 days and already being insulted with pedantry towards a turn of phrase.  What are you hoping to achieve by "calling him out" here?  He wasn't defending the industry, just telling us of his experience.  He's the one that told us of the Union Jack exploit!

This is why someone with as much information and personal experience as this guy as is likely to say "Ya know what. Fuk this, I'm out of here"

[Boulderdash]

5 hours ago, jmaccers said:

 

Man's only been here about 5 days and already being insulted with pedantry towards a turn of phrase.  What are you hoping to achieve by "calling him out" here?  He wasn't defending the industry, just telling us of his experience.  He's the one that told us of the Union Jack exploit!

This is why someone with as much information and personal experience as this guy as is likely to say "Ya know what. Fuk this, I'm out of here"

It's not pedantry. It's clarity. 

If you read the thread you'll see that Andrew knows I'm not attacking him personally, and we are all very grateful he's joined us for a chat. 

[Projectgilda]

If you'd read the entire thread I explained the high pressure environment of churning out machines. Designing them, getting them okay'd, straight into graphics getting the artwork approved. Software next, writing features. Then when a demo paper cabinet arrived with the graphics the software properly kicked off. 

Me and the developer going through things, control, animations, sounds etc...

Then a full glass cabinet would arrive. At which point the game would be 75% complete. More game testing, changing control and basic testing in the test department. 

95% the game would be signed off by me and go to full test. 

All this happened in just 3 months. I'd be working on 3/4 games at a time with different artists and developers. 

On these time scales mistakes were bound to happen. It was constantly rushed. 99.9% percent of errors in games were due to these time restraints. 

There's the facts from my experience. Not bent. Rushed.

[Chopaholic]

38 minutes ago, Projectgilda said:

If you'd read the entire thread I explained the high pressure environment of churning out machines. Designing them, getting them okay'd, straight into graphics getting the artwork approved. Software next, writing features. Then when a demo paper cabinet arrived with the graphics the software properly kicked off. 

Me and the developer going through things, control, animations, sounds etc...

Then a full glass cabinet would arrive. At which point the game would be 75% complete. More game testing, changing control and basic testing in the test department. 

95% the game would be signed off by me and go to full test. 

All this happened in just 3 months. I'd be working on 3/4 games at a time with different artists and developers. 

On these time scales mistakes were bound to happen. It was constantly rushed. 99.9% percent of errors in games were due to these time restraints. 

There's the facts from my experience. Not bent. Rushed.

That's a wholly unsatisfactory situation as well though, and in that case I guess the people to blame are the leadership at the companies who are pushing a limited number of staff too hard, to get fresh products out of the door.

Whichever 'era' you're talking about, be it the earlier days of AWPs when children could play the bloody things, to the £25 era and later when they were 18s and over gambling devices (which also still maintained the £5 kiddy market!), it's just not good enough that time and space wasn't afforded to make sure the machines worked properly!

You've got a handful of overworked folks doing their best in the companies making these things, versus an army of skilled players who are already well versed in knowing exactly what weak spots to start looking for and where they're likely to find them.

That said though, I refuse to believe that Barcrest's Supercharged wasn't bent, despite some of the more..... 'creative' explanations we've seen suggested for how it could happen innocently. (Or the way they put tells like the COLLECT button flash behaviour changing, always on the exact ROM revision where the method was chipped out. The stories I've heard are that by that point Barcrest were a pretty dodgy shop.)

(And of course Union Jackpot's attract mode compensator tell, which absolutely was bent. And you yourself have said that BFM used 'illegal code' in their DONDs, I'd be super interested to hear any details on that.)

[infection]

I posted.that pic of Robin hood.loads 

[Mort]

In simple terms, as many of us appreciate, compensated machines were just broken. For any machine to be perfect then it needs to avoid the inherent human nature issue of greed. In hindsight, it just comes down to this (the below, from the film WarGames,  refers to nuclear war, but the same thing applies, the inherent human condition of greed)

Greed is on all sides of the equation here, manufacturer leaders, pub/club owners and pro players. 

The losers are the many of us on here, the 'numpty' players who had no idea, and who have kept an emotional attachment and have the many losses and scars to show it.

The thing is though, the human issue of greed continues in many areas of life to this day.

If only we had known this at the time, but it's too late for that now, the only way to tackle it now is to stop gambling completely, that's the control we all still have now.

Hopefully what comes out of all the excellent research that @Chopaholic does, and the amazing work @Wizard and all other members of this scene have done over the years will prevent some of us from gambling completely, that's the way to really win here.

[Boulderdash]

3 hours ago, Mort said:

In simple terms, as many of us appreciate, compensated machines were just broken. For any machine to be perfect then it needs to avoid the inherent human nature issue of greed. In hindsight, it just comes down to this (the below, from the film WarGames,  refers to nuclear war, but the same thing applies, the inherent human condition of greed)

Greed is on all sides of the equation here, manufacturer leaders, pub/club owners and pro players. 

The losers are the many of us on here, the 'numpty' players who had no idea, and who have kept an emotional attachment and have the many losses and scars to show it.

The thing is though, the human issue of greed continues in many areas of life to this day.

If only we had known this at the time, but it's too late for that now, the only way to tackle it now is to stop gambling completely, that's the control we all still have now.

Hopefully what comes out of all the excellent research that @Chopaholic does, and the amazing work @Wizard and all other members of this scene have done over the years will prevent some of us from gambling completely, that's the way to really win here.

Fortunately nuclear war can't happen, because nuclear weapons don't exist. 

[jmaccers]

7 hours ago, Boulderdash said:

It's not pedantry. It's clarity. 

If you read the thread you'll see that Andrew knows I'm not attacking him personally, and we are all very grateful he's joined us for a chat. 

For the last few days you've been saying 99.9% of exploits were mistakes. 

Now you're saying there's 'a lot of dodgy code'.

You can't have it both ways, sir. 

  On 03/08/2025 at 21:02, Boulderdash said:

It most clearly does not. 

You've come here defending a bent industry, claiming 99.9% of exploits were accidental, but this is patently bullshit, as you've just admitted. 

 

"YOUVE been saying..."
"YOU said..."
"YOU can't have it both ways..."
"YOURE defending a bent industry.."
"YOUVE just admitted this was bullshit"

and yet you say

"I'm not attacking him personally"

[Boulderdash]

2 hours ago, jmaccers said:

For the last few days you've been saying 99.9% of exploits were mistakes. 

Now you're saying there's 'a lot of dodgy code'.

You can't have it both ways, sir. 

  On 03/08/2025 at 21:02, Boulderdash said:

It most clearly does not. 

You've come here defending a bent industry, claiming 99.9% of exploits were accidental, but this is patently bullshit, as you've just admitted. 

 

"YOUVE been saying..."
"YOU said..."
"YOU can't have it both ways..."
"YOURE defending a bent industry.."
"YOUVE just admitted this was bullshit"

and yet you say

"I'm not attacking him personally"

You must get through a lot of nappies if you think any of that is an 'insult'. 

And I note you deliberately removed 'sir' from one of those phrases, which very clearly lightens the tone. 

[vectra666]

5 hours ago, Boulderdash said:

Fortunately nuclear war can't happen, because nuclear weapons don't exist. 

And the Earths flat and the universe revolves around it

and one day they’re be world peace

let’s put this in simpletons terms

machines are invented by humans to do the job a human can’t be bothered with, or to make money quicker easier and cheaper 

A program not matter how secure will always be hacked or broken into (mfme will or probably already has been hacked somewhere if you’ve the knowledge and “want” to do it, so n terms of programming it’s probably a very primitive program to some highly skilled hackers!)

rules are there to be broken that’s why they’re there so the powers that be can fine , inforce more rules and control! 
 

every rule and program rules that can do this or that has loop holes design flaws again it’s in the humans dna as a species to have these design flaws it’s how a species evolves 

End of the day the machines are there to make more money Not to give it to the peasants that play them, there was never any Amusement in gambling there never is, it’s only “fun” when you’re winning as the greed emotion takes over same as when you’re losing it takes over in the opposite way.

human always want more and are never satisfied with just enough 

This Russia / Ukraine war is exactly the same. Putin won’t stop till he gets want he came for. Total control of Ukraine and beyond. Hasn’t he got enough land he doesn’t actually own (no one actually owes land, it’s free we’re just made to think this way, control from birth to death!) it’s all greed 

mankind ls downfall is greed. And the planets downfall will become of it,

thats until the machines take over the human race (terminator) which I do believe that will happen in the next 50-100 years 

Edited August 19 by vectra666

[Chopaholic]

9 hours ago, Mort said:

In simple terms, as many of us appreciate, compensated machines were just broken. For any machine to be perfect then it needs to avoid the inherent human nature issue of greed. In hindsight, it just comes down to this (the below, from the film WarGames,  refers to nuclear war, but the same thing applies, the inherent human condition of greed)

Greed is on all sides of the equation here, manufacturer leaders, pub/club owners and pro players. 

The losers are the many of us on here, the 'numpty' players who had no idea, and who have kept an emotional attachment and have the many losses and scars to show it.

The thing is though, the human issue of greed continues in many areas of life to this day.

If only we had known this at the time, but it's too late for that now, the only way to tackle it now is to stop gambling completely, that's the control we all still have now.

Hopefully what comes out of all the excellent research that @Chopaholic does, and the amazing work @Wizard and all other members of this scene have done over the years will prevent some of us from gambling completely, that's the way to really win here.

I was on that one months ago @Mort  

[Ze Frog]

11 hours ago, infection said:

I posted.that pic of Robin hood.loads 

Any ROM's and workable images do you know?

[Boulderdash]

3 hours ago, vectra666 said:

 

thats until the machines take over the human race (terminator) which I do believe that will happen in the next 50-100 years 

I give it twenty.

Humans have no concept of exponential growth, but they will soon learn once AIs become self aware (and some reports suggest they already try to hide themselves if they see chatter about them being turned off). 

 

[Chopaholic]

11 minutes ago, Boulderdash said:

I give it twenty.

Humans have no concept of exponential growth, but they will soon learn once AIs become self aware (and some reports suggest they already try to hide themselves if they see chatter about them being turned off). 

That totally isn't a real thing, BTW, and isn't something that LLMs (which is what underpins all so-called 'artificial intelligence') are capable of doing.

The AI bubble will start popping within the next 6-12 months, it's a nonsensical hype machine about a pretty cool tech that has some uses but is absolutely not going to take over the world. At all.

LLMs are a technological evolutionary dead-end and will not develop into AGI. It's like having a car and saying that if you just strap enough rockets to it, you'll be able to fly to the next solar system.

[Graham the goldfish]

1 minute ago, Chopaholic said:

That totally isn't a real thing, BTW, and isn't something that LLMs (which is what underpins all so-called 'artificial intelligence') are capable of doing.

The AI bubble will start popping within the next 6-12 months, it's a nonsensical hype machine about a pretty cool tech that has some uses but is absolutely not going to take over the world. At all.

LLMs are a technological evolutionary dead-end and will not develop into AGI. It's like having a car and saying that if you just strap enough rockets to it, you'll be able to fly to the next solar system.

I totally agree.  Using LLM's for work they're very useful, but it's also very easy to hit their limitations.  In order to make them useful you have to curate the input and provide very vertical problems.  Then verify the output which is as often wrong as it is correct.  I'm sure they'll improve further.

I can 100% see jobs that can be replaced by AI in the short to medium term.  The guy watching the baggage scanner at security looking for prohibited items, for instance -- an obvious AI fit.  They're already used for first level support.  I don't see it replacing all jobs, though.  It's a useful tool, but the marketing from AI companies is definitely not the reality on the ground. 

[vectra666]

16 minutes ago, Chopaholic said:

 

LLMs are a technological evolutionary dead-end and will not develop into AGI. It's like having a car and saying that if you just strap enough rockets to it, you'll be able to fly to the next solar system.

Rockets are so last century id give it 100 years max and we’ll travelling to the edge of this galaxy or should I say the robots will 

its only a matter of time and time is an illusion made up by mankind to give us order out of chaos.

is there life on other planets, he’ll yes millions of them, most of which are thinking the same as us “this betcom is rigged to hell , shove another credit in it might change?”

back on subject lol

 

Edited August 19 by vectra666