MikeyMonster Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 So... the Chase (the one with £100 JP symbols) had a manipulatable flaw in the program..... Was this also one of the reasons for Betcoms final demise? Like may other manufacturers before them they failed to release something completely player proof? This isnt bullshit BTW - i made excellent money for a decent length of time on one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildmanslots Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Hey Mikey. Betcom closing its doors was a decision made by Gauselmann after 6 months of having everyone on furlough, since the original lockdown in March, with no apparent signs of life returning to normal, everyone was made redundant with analogue production no longer part of their roadmap, as all focus shifted to digital. Just prior to the lock down, both Chase and the Vault were released on test, and the first 3 weeks of CLMS data (the performance tracking system used) were absolutely killing it and were top of the tables each and every week. The newer games were designed with the player in mind, by a player, rather than a standard Betcom force. The figures were definitely showing positive signs. In a nutshell, elements of the later chase were influenced by an earlier Bellfruit DOND, The Perfect Deal. The Bankers Vault was a slightly softer profile approach to Powerplay/Power-Up. Neither of these final two units went into full production due to the closure and never really got the full blown test it deserved due to all the pubs (test sites) closing. All that remain today are some of the original test units, which are dotted about and then move about every few months between operators. The standard Betcom clone after clone of the same profile was getting very very stale. It was agreed that a change in direction/game design/profile was part of the 2021-22 roadmap. But it was Covid that had the final say, whether you liked the games or not, it was a bit shit to say the least. Edited January 8, 2023 by Wildmanslots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMonster Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 @Wildmanslots Many thanks for that long and detailed explanation. Yes - in my experience, the latest Chase (with a 100JP win symbol) was a huge huge improvement on standard Betcom fodder. Much more enjoyable to play - either on an out and out force - or just for fun collecting things. Many more decentish features, the third and forth levels of streak being reasonably achievable... much much fairer deal offers.... wins between £8 and £25 which would repeat...... and of course a physical deal reel so no dodgy look what you could have won! In a way - seemed to play like a number of Reflexes which are fair and fun - as long as not playing out and out for a JP. Thins like Jungle Bucks, Drac pack (i think thats the title) Valley of the Kings and a few others. I really liked this machine - shame this was thier last hurrah - cos they may have managed a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondplayer Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeyMonster said: @Wildmanslots Many thanks for that long and detailed explanation. Yes - in my experience, the latest Chase (with a 100JP win symbol) was a huge huge improvement on standard Betcom fodder. Much more enjoyable to play - either on an out and out force - or just for fun collecting things. Many more decentish features, the third and forth levels of streak being reasonably achievable... much much fairer deal offers.... wins between £8 and £25 which would repeat...... and of course a physical deal reel so no dodgy look what you could have won! In a way - seemed to play like a number of Reflexes which are fair and fun - as long as not playing out and out for a JP. Thins like Jungle Bucks, Drac pack (i think thats the title) Valley of the Kings and a few others. I really liked this machine - shame this was thier last hurrah - cos they may have managed a huge improvement. That one (the chase is on) did actually pass test (get approval) so there's lots of them about - having said that it does seem rarer than the other approved ones. If the AWP JP is ever increased from £100 that would mean the only reel bases that would survive, if any, would be reflex. Drac pack - do you mean drac in the box ? 1 Your box will be CASHPOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMonster Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, dondplayer said: That one (the chase is on) did actually pass test (get approval) so there's lots of them about - having said that it does seem rarer than the other approved ones. If the AWP JP is ever increased from £100 that would mean the only reel bases that would survive, if any, would be reflex. Drac pack - do you mean drac in the box ? Yeah - said i wasn't sure Not so many of The Chase round here.... only ever seen two....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infection Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 17 hours ago, infection said: ah Ok what the 1st machine on ur portfolio @Wildmanslots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slotsmagic Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, infection said: @Wildmanslots He'll get back when he's ready, no rush. My Betcom branded, Blueprint stickered, T7 rebuild is dated Feb '20 from memory on the serial number sticker. I know at least one coder from it, would you have had a hand in any of it @Wildmanslots? It's a weird one. It's got Luck of the Irish, Bar X, Lucky Dragons, Tic Tac Toe Hi Roller and a couple of others on. The same machines are in Merkur at the mo, on 20p/£10, as teeny little space filler machines 1 Currently owned digitals : T7 Encore, T7 Original, Astra iPub and Storm Street Casino. MFME cabinets : Genesis cab DIY by No1Stoney, Interplay conversion and Vegas Strip conversion (both are works in progress!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialDragon368 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 22 hours ago, Wildmanslots said: Basically Cash Exploder. Part of the SD368 Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr x Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, SocialDragon368 said: Basically Cash Exploder. no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slotsmagic Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, mr x said: no Actually looks quite interesting. The old 'Banker's Seal' making a return. The fact that it actually has JP symbols and not just a £25 top win from reel wins. All academic now obviously. But looks more my kind of machine than the standard old Betcom formula. 1 Currently owned digitals : T7 Encore, T7 Original, Astra iPub and Storm Street Casino. MFME cabinets : Genesis cab DIY by No1Stoney, Interplay conversion and Vegas Strip conversion (both are works in progress!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMonster Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, slotsmagic said: Actually looks quite interesting. The old 'Banker's Seal' making a return. The fact that it actually has JP symbols and not just a £25 top win from reel wins. All academic now obviously. But looks more my kind of machine than the standard old Betcom formula. So... the Chase is on... the one i refer to earlier... also has JP symbols (and will give the £100 on the reels if forced)...... And - as @Wildmanslots allludes to... is a MUCH better game experience than the standard BETCOM fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moff95 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 I was contacted recently by a guy who informed me he still had an Excalibur in a local pub. Crazy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildmanslots Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Yep the company who bought out the majority of Betcom stock have been alternating the sites, I think there are about 12-18 of them dotted around all together, these would have been the original test units. They are hidden gems.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarmkid23 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 i think one of the original test sites is in Cumbria (Betcom worms AWP 3 reel game £100 jackpot still on site (Kellbank Gosforth! THE RAREST betcom machine around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infection Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Alarmkid23 said: i think one of the original test sites is in Cumbria (Betcom worms AWP 3 reel game £100 jackpot still on site (Kellbank Gosforth! THE RAREST betcom machine around. That would be a sc5 version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infection Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 10/01/2023 at 10:21, moff95 said: I was contacted recently by a guy who informed me he still had an Excalibur in a local pub. Crazy Pics roms??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarmkid23 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 has anyone got Worms roms? as thats a game id love to play in emulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infection Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Swear i seen someone post the sc5 version before but was apparently a non runner but popeye was a non runner but is now working so there chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilolottery Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 From catching up on this thread it appears Betcom clearly had plenty of ideas on the go and were definitely making efforts to refresh the gameplay, it would be great to try some of these newer machines in one form or another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infection Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, hilolottery said: From catching up on this thread it appears Betcom clearly had plenty of ideas on the go and were definitely making efforts to refresh the gameplay, it would be great to try some of these newer machines in one form or another. Yea them gsquared and blueprint had ideas they even did a machine based on Donald Trump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectra666 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, hilolottery said: From catching up on this thread it appears Betcom clearly had plenty of ideas on the go and were definitely making efforts to refresh the gameplay, it would be great to try some of these newer machines in one form or another. If we have the roms and images I can’t see why not if upto sc5 that is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondplayer Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Alarmkid23 said: has anyone got Worms roms? as thats a game id love to play in emulator. Have to assume a Scorp 5 version of this exists, after all its a similar game to Toastbusters. @Wildmanslots should be able to confirm. Your box will be CASHPOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialDragon368 Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 16 hours ago, infection said: Yea them gsquared and blueprint had ideas they even did a machine based on Donald Trump Yes @infection, It was called Make Jackpots Great Again. Also I think there was one called Show Me The Mummy. 1 Part of the SD368 Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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