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Emptiers, who won, who lost?


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6 hours ago, Boulderdash said:

I always disagree, politely of course, with @Chopaholicon this one, but I really don't think emptiers had anything at all to do with the death of the AWP.

The reason in my mind is simple - they became gambling machines rather than amusement machines.

As soon as this happened, the jackpot had to keep up with that available first in clubs, then bookies and casinos and now the almost unlimited jackpots online. People simply aren't interested in putting beer money into a pub fruit as they know there is no amusement and £20 could last less than five minutes.

So the only people putting any money in them are addicts and a dwindling band of players. 

It will be interesting to see what happens with the random digitals. Most pubs are simply getting rid, but they infest every spoons. 

 

 

The reason you state is certainly part of the problem with AWPs.  But I don’t think it is the totality of it.  

Interesting as you say as to where the random digital games go.  You mention Wetherspoons, and this is interesting, they have a very clever business model to keep prices low for beer and food, and I’m sure fruit machines are part of it.  The beer maybe 60% of the price of their competitors but the value to the player from the percentage on their gaming machines certainly isn’t.  Easy money from those who want to play them, to help them keep beer and food prices low.  

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Well in direct answer to the thread title, me and me.

Once fixed odds betting terminals appeared on the high streets, in abundance, that was the most pertinent death knell. It has been a long and painful journey. The patient is not even dead yet, just terminally ill. 

Quality of AWP output declined as the market shrunk and budgets to make AWPs similarly shrunk. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Emptiers are not defined by "rips", professional gamblers back in the 90s (ahem yes I was one of them if truth be told) exploited fruit machines like it was going out of fashion. I have had debates about this off the grid about what a "true emptier" is, Dond for starters was and never will fall in that category regardless of the contempt I have for that machine (still and never have tried it in emulation and never will).

If Bell Fruits like Dond and others that had rips/exploits, if it held £500 in the hopper/tubes you wouldn't be able to empty it so that settles that discussion. Making money is one thing but there is a fine line between true emptier and walking away with profit.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Zippy said:

Emptiers are not defined by "rips", professional gamblers back in the 90s (ahem yes I was one of them if truth be told) exploited fruit machines like it was going out of fashion. I have had debates about this off the grid about what a "true emptier" is, Dond for starters was and never will fall in that category regardless of the contempt I have for that machine (still and never have tried it in emulation and never will).

If Bell Fruits like Dond and others that had rips/exploits, if it held £500 in the hopper/tubes you wouldn't be able to empty it so that settles that discussion. Making money is one thing but there is a fine line between true emptier and walking away with profit.

An emptier is simply a method of play that will allow you to take every last coin from a machine. This will be because there is an issue with the code and it doesn't realise it's paid too much.

A rip is an exploit that means you can get more than the machine would like to pay, but generally once you've had it the machine will clam up, stop phoning for example, preventing you doing it again. An example would be banking £140 on Banker's Bonus. 

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Very interesting topic and a variety of views, makes really good reading so thanks all.

 

I never knew any emptiers existed from the early 90s right through to mid 2000s, and then when I started hearing about the ways players would target certain machines and empty them just made me avoid those machines, because in 95% of places in and around blackpool it’s fair to say there were players doing these things so you’d have little or no Chance of winning on said machines. So I’d leave them well alone, and just watch out for a “new” machine.
 

i can remember sitting in a couple of pubs waiting for them to unload and set up a new machine off a wagon out of the plastic, before playing it for maybe the first time. That was the excitement for me rather than knowing how to empty it; learning how a new machine worked and what the features were and maybe, just maybe, walking away with a jackpot and experiencing the feeling that gave you! Still get that feeling when you get a jackpot, it’s just far, far less frequent with bigger jackpots and thus for me some of the attraction to play AWPs has gone as a result.

I still like playing quiz machines (appreciate they aren’t AWPs) but they are less and less apparent nowadays too.

 

SM

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5 hours ago, Sarkymark77 said:

Very interesting topic and a variety of views, makes really good reading so thanks all.

 

I never knew any emptiers existed from the early 90s right through to mid 2000s, and then when I started hearing about the ways players would target certain machines and empty them just made me avoid those machines, because in 95% of places in and around blackpool it’s fair to say there were players doing these things so you’d have little or no Chance of winning on said machines. So I’d leave them well alone, and just watch out for a “new” machine.
 

i can remember sitting in a couple of pubs waiting for them to unload and set up a new machine off a wagon out of the plastic, before playing it for maybe the first time. That was the excitement for me rather than knowing how to empty it; learning how a new machine worked and what the features were and maybe, just maybe, walking away with a jackpot and experiencing the feeling that gave you! Still get that feeling when you get a jackpot, it’s just far, far less frequent with bigger jackpots and thus for me some of the attraction to play AWPs has gone as a result.

I still like playing quiz machines (appreciate they aren’t AWPs) but they are less and less apparent nowadays too.

 

SM

There were empty tricks on Quiz Machines too. Connect 4, Caesars Palace and that phrase game spring to mind.

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11 minutes ago, logopolis said:

There were empty tricks on Quiz Machines too. Connect 4, Caesars Palace and that phrase game spring to mind.

never ha dthose but we had "quiz game dave" a autistic guy in his 50's who knew almost everyting he ever got asked" really freaky at times.. honestly he'd do the circuits with us and win 4 quids here and there and the occasional jackpot if they were ready, all for his quarter of hash habit haha.. looked like a troll out of lord of the rings but a genuinely decent geezer

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living the dream

 

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