YouTube Emulation Extravaganza

[vectra666]

10 minutes ago, Zippy said:

In the Legacy you wally lmao

Should of donated for access

i can access it but didn't want to download dozens for only one needed thanks anyways

found it now thanks again

Edited August 4, 2021 by vectra666

[Zippy]

18 minutes ago, vectra666 said:

i can access it but didn't want to download dozens for only one needed thanks anyways

found it now thanks again

Loads? There is only one lol from what I see.

[Reg]

3 hours ago, Chopaholic said:

Second video on this machine (I did one back in late 2017), but this time I try to do the emptier properly!

 

Thank you very much @Chopaholic very much apprichated what you did there.

[Chopaholic]

I made another one of these.

 

[niallquinn]

Oof, here we go again. An hours worth of me nodding, saying "yep same here", and lots of mourning my fucked up earlier years.

A good lesson to watch these for our younger members - don't make the same mistakes as we did.  Easy to say I know, and harder to take notice of.

Right.  Got beer check, got tabs check, and strap on for another rough ride of watching pain unfold.

Many thanks for these @Chopaholic

[niallquinn]

27 minute in.

Two things.  The telling yourself I lost my wallet etc.  I used to think I've lost 60 quid, ah but no cos I had lunch out of that.  Yeah a bag of crisps.

Secondly, Mrs D's cash card.  Around the same time period, 93/94, my dad would give me his cash card, and say get us £20 out.  One day I saw his cash card there, took it, went to TSB, the max you could get then was 200.  Withdrew it, lost it.

...and so it continued, many many similar things, lying, stealing, treating others like shit, right up until last November.

Right, continue watching....

 

[Boulderdash]

4 hours ago, niallquinn said:

Oof, here we go again. An hours worth of me nodding, saying "yep same here", and lots of mourning my fucked up earlier years.

A good lesson to watch these for our younger members - don't make the same mistakes as we did.  Easy to say I know, and harder to take notice of.

Right.  Got beer check, got tabs check, and strap on for another rough ride of watching pain unfold.

Many thanks for these @Chopaholic

It's far worse now, because losses on randoms are essentially unlimited. At least with the compensated machines you would win something eventually.

[Chopaholic]

Well, not if you kept running out of money.

[slotsmagic]

12 hours ago, Boulderdash said:

It's far worse now, because losses on randoms are essentially unlimited. At least with the compensated machines you would win something eventually.

The randoms aren't as random as you'd think, there's definitely some form of compensation going on via maths, especially on the gambles. Put about a grand through my Monopoly Big Event once with no feature, wouldn't win any gambles. Then dropped in a feature which paid £500, and did the same again within a few spins. The machine was clearly 'blocking' the high value wins, and then paid a double JP to get itself back on track.

I've had similar behaviour on many of the machines, one of the reasons I enjoy owning the horrific bastards. I'm actually a bit scared of watching these Degsy videos because I don't want to be reminded of what I was like. I've fallen off the wagon a few times but genuinely get zero enjoyment from slots now so may as well not bother!

 

[Boulderdash]

1 hour ago, slotsmagic said:

The randoms aren't as random as you'd think, there's definitely some form of compensation going on via maths, especially on the gambles. Put about a grand through my Monopoly Big Event once with no feature, wouldn't win any gambles. Then dropped in a feature which paid £500, and did the same again within a few spins. The machine was clearly 'blocking' the high value wins, and then paid a double JP to get itself back on track.

I've had similar behaviour on many of the machines, one of the reasons I enjoy owning the horrific bastards. I'm actually a bit scared of watching these Degsy videos because I don't want to be reminded of what I was like. I've fallen off the wagon a few times but genuinely get zero enjoyment from slots now so may as well not bother!

 

Gamblers looking for compensated behaviour in a random game are on a dangerous path.

The whole point of a random is you theoretically can get back-to-back jackpots. That's why its so hard to walk away.

It almost certainly wasn't blocking - merely that the odds of a jackpot are very very long. 

[slotsmagic]

54 minutes ago, Boulderdash said:

 

It almost certainly wasn't blocking - merely that the odds of a jackpot are very very long. 

They block in the way they can lengthen and shorten the odds at will. I've got a few randoms in my collection (Barcrest, Astra, Bell Fruit and Novomatic) and they exhibit so much repeatable behaviour they are effectively playing like a compensated machine, with a 'random' sticker

 

[Dougsta]

25 minutes ago, slotsmagic said:

They block in the way they can lengthen and shorten the odds at will. I've got a few randoms in my collection (Barcrest, Astra, Bell Fruit and Novomatic) and they exhibit so much repeatable behaviour they are effectively playing like a compensated machine, with a 'random' sticker

 

It could be, but remember that “randomness” and “repeatable behaviour” are 2 different things. The outcome of an individual credit can be completely random, but the actual visible events aren’t. An example is the fuss over Jammin Jars when 2 streamers got identical bonus games. Getting the bonus game was random, as was how much it paid, but the actual events of the bonus game were predetermined and following a script.

It’s in human nature to look for patterns everywhere, which forms the illusion of compensation. The vast majority of these games will be completely random, simply because there is no need to compensate them on the sly.

 

[Chopaholic]

Not quite the case on Jammin' Jars, it has a pool of (IIRC) 1.2 million results in the RNG table and each game round it basically just picks a result out of the pool and plays out the sequence, so how much a bonus round paid isn't random once it actually starts, the pick itself at the start of the game round is fair and random though.

 

 

[Dougsta]

45 minutes ago, Chopaholic said:

Not quite the case on Jammin' Jars, it has a pool of (IIRC) 1.2 million results in the RNG table and each game round it basically just picks a result out of the pool and plays out the sequence, so how much a bonus round paid isn't random once it actually starts, the pick itself at the start of the game round is fair and random though.

 

 

Yeah, that’s what I understood. Pre-bonus, being awarded a bonus and total prize were random parameters. The actual in-bonus events thereafter are not random.

[Chopaholic]

I'm not even sure it's as complicated as that, I think it might literally just be a single RNG pick and you get one of the 1.2m possible outcomes, some of which will include a bonus round. i.e. Once you press the 'START' button everything after that is entirely pre-determined from a single RNG pick.

[slotsmagic]

I'd more more inclined to say that a land-based UK random 'AWP' is closer to compensated, despite being labelled random, due to the lack of play compared to an online slot. Land based machines need to pay jackpots and large wins to show players that it's possible to hit them, but at the same time need to account for these larger wins given a smaller amount of play compared to online. I'm pretty sure it's already been confirmed on here that 'random' UK AWPs can alter their 'odds' on a spin-by-spin basis to help them reach percentage. If a machine doesn't want to pay a large win, there will be fewer large wins attached to numbers being called by the RNG (physical or virtual), similarly if the machine wants to pay it'll attach more large wins.

This isn't necessary on an online machine as the amount of plays will be exponentially greater than any single UK land based machine could ever achieve. 

As a quick example, I have a random B3 game on my T7. Fully licensed and running original game code. If I reset the games RAM, I guarantee you it'll hit a silver pot within 5 games. Off the top of my head I can't remember the exact number of games but it's definitely less than 5 games (spins). I can do this every time on my home machine, and have also done it in the wild when I've seen said 'game' running from reset pots (so all pots showing their starting value).

The machine is still 'random'... but I'm guaranteed a silver pot (so a significant profit) within 5 spins. Obviously not an emptier unless you can force the machine into a reset state, which I do believe people have done in the past and is probably patched out.

If it's able to do that, across multiple machines, despite being 'random', I still don't buy the whole 'but it's random therefore it's fair' type argument. Something slightly fishy going on.

Edited September 24, 2021 by slotsmagic

[vectra666]

On 22/09/2021 at 16:38, Chopaholic said:

I made another one of these.

 

Fuck me chop you’ve shown real balls in showing us the real side of addiction whether it’s drugs alcohol or gambling it’s all the same

Us addicts (me included) have been in your predicament many times. 
ooh I’ve lost my wage packet

or spent the money given on stuff when it’s all been gambled

the evil gambling side of you will do whatever it takes to get money to gamble, I’ve done horrible horrible things mainly robbing and stealing, having a machine key, fiddling works tills etc to gain cash to spunk away.

I bet many of us true addicts have done the exact same

respect to you and your video chop it takes a true gent or gal to admit your mistakes in life and thankfully Mrs dex stood by you and helped you on your journey through it. Even now if you’ve been a gambling addict you’re never totally clean if you was then you wouldn’t be visiting this site for starts

 

[Dougsta]

1 hour ago, Chopaholic said:

I'm not even sure it's as complicated as that, I think it might literally just be a single RNG pick and you get one of the 1.2m possible outcomes, some of which will include a bonus round. i.e. Once you press the 'START' button everything after that is entirely pre-determined from a single RNG pick.

We're saying the same thing in a different way

When you press start, a random outcome is picked from the bag of possible outcomes. Some of those will be bonus rounds, and each of those will have different total prize amounts. So before getting the bonus, two things were totally random:

• Whether you get a bonus or not
• How much money you'll get from that bonus

The rest is, as you rightly say, a pre-determined sequence.

[Chopaholic]

Thanks for the layout @vectra666 and also @Tommy cfor his older Lock Buster layout  

 

 

[Dougsta]

Easy Streak and its clones were decent games. I seem to remember there being an indication that the streak was close because you repeatedly got boards with entirely (or mostly) red arrows. It was a bit like the old BWBs that had a tell based on the red streak lights.

One thing that's also worth doing is developing 8 Blasts to have two bells in view. Just use Respin Reels and Bonus Nudges to do this. If you could simultaneously get 3 bells within 12 nudges that also helped, but this wasn't as easy. You could sometimes trap it into either a red streak or jackpot this way, but it was just a way to get jackpots sooner, and certainly not any kind of emptier.

If looking to cut and run, I used to grab Cash Repeaters and the feature Money Spinner. Some decent wins were possible.

[Chopaholic]

It always seemed to me that it 'sees' the blasts and the nudges if the block is on, although it's entirely plausible that I just wasn't good enough at manipulating it of course  

Did you observe the 'dual block' behaviour I talk about? i.e. On the £15 jackpot just get through £5 and it'll progress out, whereas on the £25 'upgrades' it blocks at £5 and then at £10.

[Dougsta]

Yeah it sees the Blasts and Nudges, but I always felt you could get your jackpot win a little earlier this way. You can get it into a 3-way spot where it has to avoid the last red arrow, 8 Blasts and 12 Nudges, and often you'd have too many Shots for it to prevent you getting one of them. The machine would have to be reasonably happy for this to be possible.

I have to say I rarely forced this machine on any jackpot. Only if very red on feature entry would I force for the streak. Otherwise I'd take the value out of it as much as possible, and watch out for the very subtle IM that others might miss.

[Boulderdash]

On 24/09/2021 at 17:52, slotsmagic said:

I'd more more inclined to say that a land-based UK random 'AWP' is closer to compensated, despite being labelled random, due to the lack of play compared to an online slot. Land based machines need to pay jackpots and large wins to show players that it's possible to hit them, but at the same time need to account for these larger wins given a smaller amount of play compared to online. I'm pretty sure it's already been confirmed on here that 'random' UK AWPs can alter their 'odds' on a spin-by-spin basis to help them reach percentage. If a machine doesn't want to pay a large win, there will be fewer large wins attached to numbers being called by the RNG (physical or virtual), similarly if the machine wants to pay it'll attach more large wins.

This isn't necessary on an online machine as the amount of plays will be exponentially greater than any single UK land based machine could ever achieve. 

As a quick example, I have a random B3 game on my T7. Fully licensed and running original game code. If I reset the games RAM, I guarantee you it'll hit a silver pot within 5 games. Off the top of my head I can't remember the exact number of games but it's definitely less than 5 games (spins). I can do this every time on my home machine, and have also done it in the wild when I've seen said 'game' running from reset pots (so all pots showing their starting value).

The machine is still 'random'... but I'm guaranteed a silver pot (so a significant profit) within 5 spins. Obviously not an emptier unless you can force the machine into a reset state, which I do believe people have done in the past and is probably patched out.

If it's able to do that, across multiple machines, despite being 'random', I still don't buy the whole 'but it's random therefore it's fair' type argument. Something slightly fishy going on.

Interesting. A game can be left in a particular state from the 'reset', just like a ram file uploaded here can be dead or gagging. 

Presumably there is some code in the game that says it has to drop the silver pot after its taken x amount of money / spins that can be in addition to / override the RNG selection. That does sound like back-door compensation to me. 

[woodsy]

On 25/09/2021 at 16:47, Dougsta said:

Yeah it sees the Blasts and Nudges, but I always felt you could get your jackpot win a little earlier this way. You can get it into a 3-way spot where it has to avoid the last red arrow, 8 Blasts and 12 Nudges, and often you'd have too many Shots for it to prevent you getting one of them. The machine would have to be reasonably happy for this to be possible.

I have to say I rarely forced this machine on any jackpot. Only if very red on feature entry would I force for the streak. Otherwise I'd take the value out of it as much as possible, and watch out for the very subtle IM that others might miss.

Yeah loved these games too!! Great value era then as well as still plenty of streaking games to hunt down

[Boulderdash]

Talking of compensation, I was playing Club Attraction today and noticed from the attached saved RAM/GAM files it ALWAYS lands grape, grape, pear, pear on the first spin, then plum, plum, apple, melon on the second. Then it offers a hold so you can hold the 3 an 2 on the plum and apple to get on the feature. It ALWAYS then spins lemon on reel 1, apple on 4 and a 10 for hi-lo gamble. The ten goes to a 7, then 11, 6, 8, 11, 10, 9, 5. If you go in any other direction you lose. And you always lose on the 5. 

That's not compensation. That's fixed!

You can find a zip with all other required files here. 

CLUB_ATTRACTION £150Dx.gam CLUB_ATTRACTION £150Dx.ram

Edited September 27, 2021 by Boulderdash