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On 20/07/2021 at 09:19, dondplayer said:

So the other day I reached over 4000 up on Banker's Bonus. 8401 in for 12469 out. It's actually
surprising that you can profit on this empty as it needs so many things to go your way.Firstly you need
Deal or No Deal open (or something like super streak) which in itself is not a problem. Secondly you need
to land on the Bonus square and then you need that bonus to be Activate Bank It. Once on the square you
can use hi/lo to get another bonus but on a bad number that may end your game. Lastly when you finally
select Cash or Bust you actually want it to Bust, else everything you did was a waste of time.

The program on this is a bit weird is it can suddenly decide it's not going to open Deal or No Deal for like
£20 even though no value has been taken. Then let's say you don't get your Activate Bank It bonus.
Now you need another board and let's say you get as far as Cash or Bust but the bust lands. A few times I'd
put £50 through without even getting a chance at Cash or Bust. Another I'd put over £100 through before
a Cash or Bust landed on Bust. So this can be really expensive.

Had I tried more than one of these in the real world I would have been so frustrated, particularly with
the Cash or Bust NOT landing on Bust. I would have put my fist through these I'm sure.

Some observations:

Ideal setup is double Deal or No Deal, Activate Bank it lit again (after the bank), Swap box lit,
Message from the Banker lit.

I found taking Message from the Banker after first Deal or No Deal Banker's offer can be quite useful - it
can eliminate more blue values (upping the offer), actually up the offer (only usually a couple of quid
though) or best is change the box. Now the problem here is it can swap for a worse value so only do
this on a really bad box.

Single Deal or No Deal isn't very good even with ammunition - in one round it can take out all the decent
values and then your stuffed as you haven't got the other side to bail you out.

Swap box can be very handy - unlike a swap from Message from the Banker Swap box will always swap to the
best value possible. So a double Deal or No Deal board with £10 / £20 on one side and £10 / £35 on the
other will always swap to £35.

The 140 trick - never worked for me in the real world as never gave the next number message - had the
option to try this about 4 times throughout - it actually worked but only once.

Board entry GATW or auto 70 collect - not a problem - don't need bank it - these are more or less free
wins so don't need to come out the bust pot.

Streak vs Deal or No Deal - although connected there is some separation so once well into this you
can take the streak to retrieve some cash if you land on ? without your bank it. You will find that
the Deal or No Deal comes back within the award of the streak. e.g. get a £15 streak - will cost less
than £15 to get Deal or No Deal again.
Streak awards £10, £15 usually - also £20, £25
Super Streak awards £15, £20 usually - also £35
Do it too often in succession and the streal won't get awarded again for a while though.

Busts that are OK - there are things the bust can land on and not all is lost:
Cash Falls - just keeping hitting start so it says 'too early' - it will award zero and hence you get
the banked Deal or No Deal.
Turbo Cash - just keeping gambling down to zero - again you get the banked Deal or No Deal
Cashpot - a more or less free win so that's fine.

Like a lot of Deal or No Deal's of the era on repower it takes £15+ for the Deal or No Deal to return -
this hinderd me as every time I fired this up the first £15+ was automatically a waste.

It's difficult to know what to do when you are on the Bonus square with a bad number (5/6/7/8) - I've
carried on hoping to land on h/l shuffle - then gambling that in the hope of a 7 or 9.

Message from the Banker on a ? (when no bank it option given) - it often saves you, even indirectly, but
nearly always just results in another ? two moves on. I think it's actually given me the chance for a
bank it twice throughout.


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Has anyone mentioned that the boxes are the wrong colour? The small amounts should be blue and vice versa

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25 minutes ago, Boulderdash said:

Has anyone mentioned that the boxes are the wrong colour? The small amounts should be blue and vice versa

Good spot I expect the layout was flyer based as the flyers always have mistakes on em

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59 minutes ago, vectra666 said:

Good spot I expect the layout was flyer based as the flyers always have mistakes on em

Absolutely, no real version of Solid Silver ever had this nudge trail, but because the DX was done from the flyer it's had the wrong trail since birth.

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How much can it possibly take to force out the red £100 at the end of the feature entry trail on Andy Capp?

Also features a look at Corn Of The Dead and Bullseye Pounds For Points

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There's no way, that isn't a bug in the code.

Reminds me of years back, when I remember someone saying that the M1a/b version of Club Pink Panther, could never be hi-lo gambled out for a jackpot, as the code wouldn't allow it. So it could run at virtually 0% pay out if that's all the player did. 

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50 minutes ago, wearecity said:

There's no way, that isn't a bug in the code.

Reminds me of years back, when I remember someone saying that the M1a/b version of Club Pink Panther, could never be hi-lo gambled out for a jackpot, as the code wouldn't allow it. So it could run at virtually 0% pay out if that's all the player did. 

Similar thing with the Lord of the Rings (Two Towers?) Club machine, I seem to recall it was impossible to gamble out the cash ladder, you had to gamble to a couple of values below jackpot, exchange in and aim to get cash knockouts. 

Off to work now but I know what I'll be watching when I get back later :)

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Decal collection photography got sidetracked during my month without internet - will get caught up on it soon! :)

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2 hours ago, wearecity said:

There's no way, that isn't a bug in the code.

Reminds me of years back, when I remember someone saying that the M1a/b version of Club Pink Panther, could never be hi-lo gambled out for a jackpot, as the code wouldn't allow it. So it could run at virtually 0% pay out if that's all the player did. 

I'm going to have another crack at that, I'll set autoplayer going at it and let it get way, way, way behind percentage and see it still hard blocks the red £100 at the end of the trail.

Shonky coding though either way, there's really no reason for it not just to allow the win.

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43 minutes ago, logopolis said:

Does the machine think the red £100 has to repeat, which means it cannot give £200. The highest win as we know is £150 which is obviously the best win on the red Mega Streak.

That sounds plausible but then again red things have been able to not repeat forever, I mean, even the red mega streak can still do a flat £100.

I'm genuinely interested to see how long the machine could keep that up for, as it seems locked into a cycle where it won't land on the WHERE'S THE RENT square (i.e. no forced collect prize), the £100 at the end of the trail is always red and seems to be blocked when it's red, and it has no way to force wins through the reels or a feature exchange.

From a factory reset you'd get a few WHERE'S THE RENTs, but once it got into the state above, how much could it take and effectively run at 0% RTP?

Compensated machines folks, just say no, they've always been fucked.

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It will probably never offer the red £100. I played a lot of these dice games on digital units and never had £150 Mega Streaks. Cop The Loot and Paddy's won't give £150 either. The only Betcom type game I think can give the £150 is Cash Exploder. 

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@Chopaholic does a red cash value (the one that wouldn't give the £100) give the chance of repeat of the actual value or repeat of another dapple ? If it's the value you could have taken the £50 red far earlier ? because that would be £100 (if landed) and that came before the MS went red. Also we know these don't do £200 so no chance of the £100 giving a repeat.

Back to it not landing on the £100 - yeah that has to be a bug - all I can say is "NO WAY !!!"

I played one of these once and got stuffed - the worst of that layout type IMO

 

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Your box will be CASHPOT

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On 23/06/2021 at 19:24, niallquinn said:

Soft shite / Get a grip / Sob story alert.  If you've never been affected by gambling, drink and drugs, don't read.

Not read any of the replies since the 10th (I'll catch up shortly, so I apologise if I'm repeating what others have said).

@Chopaholic

Watched the low ebb vid, reading back my notes, I've written "same" 37 times.  In a few places I find it upsetting.  For you, or me, or both, or any other gambler, I don't know.

Mine was almost identical, to the point where I'm thinking something mental like am I you, or are you me?

Only slight difference, I passed the first year at uni, then did the same as you, only in year two, from September to January.

When you mentioned the catologue, I almost fell off my chair.  I got a Great Universal one, and here's the thing, had no income whatsoever.  Bought things I could easily sell, VCRs, Tellys, etc.

Oh and same with Natwest, yes you can have a £400 overdraft, cheques for cash at the tillers.

The "long weekend thing", started out, 1989, September, 18th birthday, I'm taken out on the pop, we go clubbing, had the night of my life.  Few months later, I find some other mates who do this on a Saturday, so joined them.  Then as @Geddy will know, there was Tuesday night snooker in the club, joined the snooker team.  Wednesday was pool night, followed my mates who played in the team home and away.  Thursday night, darts and doms, home and away.  Sunday and Monday, there'd be cards going on, a turn, strippers or whatever.  So it quickly turns into a 7 day session.

Friday/Saturday nights never played the bandits, but on every other night I did, and in the daytime.

The lies, the getting on the 141/159/161/220/535 (one for Geddy, or Alth), on the morning, bye I'm off to uni, get into Sunderland.  Get the bus or train to Shields, Seaburn, Newcastle, Whitley Bay with 6 cans, and be pissed by 9am and ready to play.  And lose.  And walk home, 15-25 miles because I didn't have a free pass or the fare home.  Did that twice from Newcastle.  That's Newcastle to Houghton Le Spring.  Many times from Seaburn to Houghton Le Spring.  Look it up, it's a canny hike.

The relationships fucked up, the chances fucked up as well.  I remember being in a club and watching the bandits waiting for players to come off, being chatted up by lasses, and I'd tell them "our lass is in the other room" so they'd leave me alone, so I was ready to jump on when someone had finished playing.

Bodily functions, I've pissed myself lots of times playing, shit meself only once, which is enough.  On the bus home, everyone saying what's that smell, as lump comes out of my trouser leg.  Ruined a good pair of Chinos, the smell never really left after many washes.

Next 25+ years, pretty much continue to do the same.

Roll forward to April 2019, I'm at AA, and am drink and drug free.  Then came covid.  Then came last August.  When I read the news here, I thought what do I do?  I should have called my support network at AA, or my support at the NY Mental Health crisis team.  But no, I know better obviously.  I go on 6 weeks sick off work, drinking heavily every day, and signed up accounts with Sky Vegas, Casumo, Dream Vegas, and The Sun.  £2 stake.  Win loads in a couple of days.  Few grand up.  Lose that.  And more.  Then September/oct/nov, I spunk away each pay packet, can't pay rent, bills, DD, standing orders etc.  3 times get bailed out by my dad.  Had another trip to James Cook in Boro, not good.  Only then, In November, I realise after 30+ years of gambling, I look into my dads eyes, and see a frail, old man; the torment my life has placed on my parents hits me.  So I stop.  Sign up with Gamstop on a 5 year total ban from everywhere.

7 months on, still drinking everyday, but am gambling free. 

Mate,

I am 51 and probably similar age to you, so sad, i will post my story one day, went to GA in the early days, and all we talked about was the wins out of the allotted  time, then it was denial, I feel you have to hit ROCK BOTTOM, before you do something, I believe i hit 2 times, lost my house, then lost my partner. 

I know this is an emulation site and all that , but maybe @REG can maybe have a separate section for this stuff.

 

Pete

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11 hours ago, Chopaholic said:

How much can it possibly take to force out the red £100 at the end of the feature entry trail on Andy Capp?

Also features a look at Corn Of The Dead and Bullseye Pounds For Points

Thanks to @vectra666   @Multi Retro Man   @Pook

for the layouts featured :) 

 

 

Also best of British and I think sharks of the carribean by reflex both have numbers on their base reels

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30 minutes ago, vectra666 said:

Also best of British and I think sharks of the carribean by reflex both have numbers on their base reels

Alice and the mad hatter 

Gold streak 

Kiss.my axe

Let's get kraken

Popeye strong to the finish

Swing my axe 

Viva las vegas 

Wizard Of wads 

All these had Trail ones  like Andy capp 

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7 hours ago, infection said:

Alice and the mad hatter 

Gold streak 

Kiss.my axe

Let's get kraken

Popeye strong to the finish

Swing my axe 

Viva las vegas 

Wizard Of wads 

All these had Trail ones  like Andy capp 

All shite too lol

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22 hours ago, wearecity said:

There's no way, that isn't a bug in the code.

Reminds me of years back, when I remember someone saying that the M1a/b version of Club Pink Panther, could never be hi-lo gambled out for a jackpot, as the code wouldn't allow it. So it could run at virtually 0% pay out if that's all the player did. 

I agree with this (Club Pink Panther). In my limited experience of this machine it won't allow a straight gamble to the top and will always die when you gamble from £50, even in test mode (when you aren't forcing it to win). Not as bad as the others from this era that won't allow a gamble past £25.

Not that the top feature is a guarantee of jackpot either, unless it's set to 5p/£75 (£75 being the minimum top). It will flash "GETAWAY   CAUGHT" on the alpha and when you hit collect it will award another win if it stops on GETAWAY. It will consistently give you less than JP, e.g. £150 or £200 instead of £250. The only way to guarantee £250 is if the triple bars come in (never seen it) or collecting four Panthers for cashpot when maxed.

I haven't tried a straight force every gamble to see how it would react (I don't really have the patience) but as it can't force collects on you other than boosting straight to the end or awarding panthers for cashpots I can well imagine it could run way under percentage.

To be honest I haven't played it a lot, it's a pretty awful machine at least from reset - just multiply the frustration of never landing on anything on Rovers Return / Instant Win and multiply it by 250!

A shame because the sound package is great for Panther fans and the jackpot ditty is fairly decent (Pink Panther unique) but unlikely many people got to hear it in real life as these number trail based progressions are just annoying. In case anyone has their interest piqued I attach it for your aural pleasure.

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Hi folks I decided to set autoplay about this and today it managed to lump over £7000 through it, the autoplay profile was configured to never exchange into the feature or collect anything, it just played straight for the end of the trail.

£7000 in and it didn't hit the red £100 a single time, and once it'd taken the first £100 or so it never hit the WHERE'S THE RENT square either, so by all accounts it could take an infinite amount of money and never pay anything out.

I was just making a follow-on video and once I'd explained the above, I was going to move onto collecting some of the other amounts at the end of the trail when red, and see what it wanted to do in terms of kicking back.

Alas I collected a red £15 and the machine hung after adding it to the bank. Following a reset it booted normally, but had lost the £15 bank but remembered I had £2 in credits, but was completely unresponsive. Opening the doors works insofar as it goes through the boot cycle again, but you can't get into any of the menus or anything like that - I appear to have broken it.

I have attached the layout here, can anyone bring it back to life but leave the RAM intact? In total it's had nearly £8000 through it!

Thanks :) 

(Actually, you can still put money in it, and after a reset the credits put in will register in the display. It is in a very strange state.)

£100 - Andy Capp.zip

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I had a quick download before I had to head out, but didn't get much time to play with it. I will say though that it's definitely knackered. Hope someone can get it going as it's a shame so much was put through it and now it's conked out!

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Decal collection photography got sidetracked during my month without internet - will get caught up on it soon! :)

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@ChopaholicYou mentioned something in the video that I too thought about afterwards. It was collecting the red 100 in the cash shots. In the wild on Popeye, I sometimes had to collect the red 100 cash shot if it came first before the natural Mega Streak board or I wasn't able to trap it. As you might know, the Mega Streak cannot go above £100 anyway. 

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26 minutes ago, Chopaholic said:

Second video on this machine (I did one back in late 2017), but this time I try to do the emptier properly!

 

can't seam to find this layout anywhere, i have a semi-decent image of the 5p/£3 version 

is there a link for said layout please

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