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4 minutes ago, nails said:

Charlie we all have to start somewhere. ive owned arcades, worked for novomatic, and visited every AGC in the country.

 

but even i get things wrong!

I know mate. Just felt like a bit of a wally lmfao

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I get this when exiting and had to force close.

I take it it is not meant to do this?

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Well glad to see it’s working. I’m guessing that by the fact it’s gone cashpot happy the machine prefers to pay the jackpot from that rather than the reels. I doubt this one will ever get back to percentage if it’s giving £3 cashpots

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3 hours ago, Gary said:

Well glad to see it’s working. I’m guessing that by the fact it’s gone cashpot happy the machine prefers to pay the jackpot from that rather than the reels. I doubt this one will ever get back to percentage if it’s giving £3 cashpots

Just take something else before it gets to CP

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I have had Jackpots from both the win spins ladder and the cash ladder. It's on fire !!

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25 minutes ago, Mort said:

I have had Jackpots from both the win spins ladder and the cash ladder. It's on fire !!

it should be, it owes 37 jackpots to get back to percentage :)

 

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Imagine finding one in this state in the wild would take you days to play this out... and many refloats.

Thanks for this Gary!

J

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Out of interest, what does the machine *think* it is paying when it is giving Cashpots out that have £3 in them?

I always assumed that, whilst the CP value was not exactly an indicator that the CP was ready to pay out, the machine at least knew what was in it. By the sounds of the replies above it sounds like the machine does not know the CP value, and instead assumes that the CP = JP?

If that is the case, would a close sequence of £3 Cashpots kill the game, as the machine thinks it has paid £1,000 each time?

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32 minutes ago, Dez said:

Out of interest, what does the machine *think* it is paying when it is giving Cashpots out that have £3 in them?

I always assumed that, whilst the CP value was not exactly an indicator that the CP was ready to pay out, the machine at least knew what was in it. By the sounds of the replies above it sounds like the machine does not know the CP value, and instead assumes that the CP = JP?

If that is the case, would a close sequence of £3 Cashpots kill the game, as the machine thinks it has paid £1,000 each time?

It would be pretty shoddy programming if that was the case however it should be easy to confirm this in test mode by checking the target and actual percentages. I can't imagine it would be applying £1000 to internal meters for a £3 win but I guess nothing is beyond all possibility particularly as this machine is now in a right state.

Personally I am surprised that the cashpot is not being blocked on this until a certain value. I don't think I ever saw the £250 equivalent of this ever pay a cashpot except when it was on £250. They used to increment pretty quick after payout so it didn't take too long for the reserve to get back there. I heard a rumour on the £250 that it used to pay out the cashpot for every £750 in almost like clockwork. Not sure if that was a specific chip, if it was then no doubt there were some unscrupulous landlords watching it like a hawk until say £700-725 in then suddenly the machine would be "broken" and switched off for some after hours play.

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53 minutes ago, A:E said:

Imagine finding one in this state in the wild would take you days to play this out... and many refloats.

Thanks for this Gary!

J

Pretty sure these were only in casinos. If you hit 2x£1000 in quick succession then no doubt eyebrows would be raised and the machine turned off. If you managed to hit 3x£1000 then I can well imagine you would be escorted off the premises by suits with sunglasses!

It's quite surprising that the machine allows itself to get so far under percentage without just force spinning the JP straight in. At least this is confirmation to the player that it will never do so.

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11 minutes ago, Retrofruit said:

I heard a rumour on the £250 that it used to pay out the cashpot for every £750 in almost like clockwork.

That seems unlikely. Assuming a payout %age of 76%, that would leave just £320 available for pay out each £750 in.

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I think the issue is that x amounts of cashpots have already been paid for by the value that has gone IN to the machine and the machine keeps a record of this.

Then due to the autoplay script killing off every single board straight away the machine enters into a gameplay state that would never happen in reality.

So we end up at a state of some 50k in and a high amount of cashpots unpaid.

It then just pays them out with no regard to the value contained within them.

Poor programming maybe but then we find this machine in a completely unrealistic state.

I appreciate it varies but how much does it take to max the CP on these ? I assume something around 10k in ?

So in theory it should only pay around 5-8 cashpots (regardless of value) and then stop. Does it stop ? I got bored after my 3rd Cashpot pay out... (think that was for £4 lol)

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Dez said:

That seems unlikely. Assuming a payout %age of 76%, that would leave just £320 available for pay out each £750 in.

I just found a comment to the same effect, on the Cheerful Pessimist channel:

Fred Smith 1 year ago (edited)

 

There was a trick on this game. Every £850 in, it would drop the £250. As long as whoever had the 'key' could monitor how much was inserted, then it was a case of tipping the player (his mate) the wink when it was due and the jackpot was duly cashed in . A mate of mine, at the Riley's in my local town, dropped the jackpot every 3 weeks or so quite easily. Well known trick ... the 30 spins didn't hold it back- a red herring. The £1000 jackpot (tended to be in casinos at the time) dropped in a pro-rata fashion. How do I know ... I just know :)
 
Might be worth a try on the emulator. The £850 in might vary depending on the set percentage?
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That’s interesting.  Could have an exploit that got fixed but a bit obscure.

J

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1 hour ago, Retrofruit said:

I just found a comment to the same effect, on the Cheerful Pessimist channel:

Fred Smith 1 year ago (edited)

 

There was a trick on this game. Every £850 in, it would drop the £250. As long as whoever had the 'key' could monitor how much was inserted, then it was a case of tipping the player (his mate) the wink when it was due and the jackpot was duly cashed in . A mate of mine, at the Riley's in my local town, dropped the jackpot every 3 weeks or so quite easily. Well known trick ... the 30 spins didn't hold it back- a red herring. The £1000 jackpot (tended to be in casinos at the time) dropped in a pro-rata fashion. How do I know ... I just know :)
 
Might be worth a try on the emulator. The £850 in might vary depending on the set percentage?

Hmm interesting. How does CC like to pay JPs when not off its tits. I've always found it to block the JP on the stacks no matter how much in

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Out of interest where in the UK would a £1K fruitie be legal, obviously not a pub (imagine changing the nuggets at a spoons) so I assume a ferry or working man's club? And did it pay in pound coins or notes? I realise there isn't a note changer but £1k of coins as well as being impractical would require massive hoppers? 

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20 minutes ago, wokingjames said:

Out of interest where in the UK would a £1K fruitie be legal, obviously not a pub (imagine changing the nuggets at a spoons) so I assume a ferry or working man's club? And did it pay in pound coins or notes? I realise there isn't a note changer but £1k of coins as well as being impractical would require massive hoppers? 

Casinos would be a more viable place as they have higher licencing.

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3 hours ago, wokingjames said:

Out of interest where in the UK would a £1K fruitie be legal, obviously not a pub (imagine changing the nuggets at a spoons) so I assume a ferry or working man's club? And did it pay in pound coins or notes? I realise there isn't a note changer but £1k of coins as well as being impractical would require massive hoppers? 

I asked similar in the release thread and Casinos only is the answer.

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20 hours ago, wearecity said:

I asked similar in the release thread and Casinos only is the answer.

I`d be quite happy to see this at a Grosvenor or Genting just to make a change from the random machines if only for a few quid. Suppose they are never seen now. 

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3 hours ago, wokingjames said:

I`d be quite happy to see this at a Grosvenor or Genting just to make a change from the random machines if only for a few quid. Suppose they are never seen now. 

They'd take an age to fill that £10k cashpot.

Can't see the £500 to £10k gamble winning very often either 🤣

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6 hours ago, wokingjames said:

I`d be quite happy to see this at a Grosvenor or Genting just to make a change from the random machines if only for a few quid. Suppose they are never seen now. 

In the release thread it was mentioned the plan was for £4000 jackpots.

I must say clubbers aren't my thing, although Novomatics are generally shite in the casinos as well IMO.

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